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Re: from a class three human
Here is the reference. I added a few comments about the generalisations to
Tom but have not appended them here. I am surprised you didn't receive
>Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 00:21:20 -0500
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: Re: The Dinosaur Egg Debate
>I have preferred to lurk during the ameteur vs professional debate until
> IMHO, there are two major types of paleontologist:
>1)The professional i.e PhD types who work for varoius institutions etc.
>2) The non-professionals of which there are several sub-types;
> a. Para-professionals (Persons working toward Type #1)
> i. Graduate Students
> ii. Undergrad Studens
> b. Freelancers
> . i. Private citizens that posess the zeal and the ability to learn
>enough of a "specialty" to practically operate independantly and publish
>their work, but do not hold a degree. In other words, they contribute to
> a.Serious Ameteurs. (self explanitary)
> b. Hobbyists and those with no interest/ability or desire to contribute
>Which leads to the last (and least type)
>Inconsiderate ameteurs and unscrupulous persons that raid valuable
>localities, destroy a fossils scientific value, turn a fossil into jewelry,
>lamps, (or worse) or dismember specimens to sell piece meal for prices
>that which a respected institution could hope to pay (if the specimen had
>great scientific value). These people also have no regard for property
>rights, trespass and continue to do so even after being caught and warned,
>and damage established "professional" sites etc.
>Type 4 non-paleontologists are what cause all of us problems. These are the
>people that should be ostracised and discredited in the eyes of the
>lay-public in the hope to decrease demand for brokered fossils. Because
>inconsiderate trespassers , Calvert Cliffs in Maryland is no longer
>accessible to types 2 and 3 except at two fair to poor locations. As a
>representaive of type 2. sub a. ii, I have had the personal displeasure of
>running into type 4's at _THE_ONLY_ place in Maryland that (Dr. Holtz
>probably knows where) one can collect Lower Cretaceous vertebrate
>I am sworn to secrecy as to it's location! The owners are very leary of
> "strangers" and require clearance from the Smithsonian before they would
>even consider granting permission! There are only 3 or 4 people including
>myself that have permission to enter at all and I am the only one that has
>been given the key to the place! I met a type 3 who claims to be only
>interested in collecting sequoia cones but tramples indiscriminantly over a
>section of the outcrop that the I have been concentrating my efforts in
>good reason) potentially damaging material that is usaually already badly
>damaged by company activity.
>I have also ran into trespassers from _rock_clubs_ who want specimens for
>their show and swap tables.
> It has taken me nearly 5 years to earn the trust of the owner involved
>it really irritates me when I run into type 4's! I even report such
>ASAP but of course nothing can be done unless they are caught.
>Do not get me wrong though! I am as big a capitalist as the next guy and
>have been a type 3a before I set out to reach type 1 status (and may have
>been guilty of ignorance myself >20 years ago). But the way things are
>with information exchange etc. I see NO reason at all where the type 3b's
>4's cannot be aware of the harm and trouble they cause. I have/do try to
>encourage such persons if the opportunity presents itself but I do not get
>confrontational and this has had little effect. As far as the sale of
>goes, unless it is on private property I am beginning to wonder if more
>stringent measures be employed to discourage type 3b and type 4 behaviour!
>Am I being too overzealous?
> Thomas R. Lipka
> Paleontological/Geological Studies
Curator of Palaeontology
University of Glasgow
Mountains are found in erogenous zones.
(Geological Howlers - ed. WDI Rolfe)