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Re: birds are reptiles?!

>So what exactly is a reptile?  Phylogentically, either nothing, or all
>amniotes.  So reptile = amniote.  Of the two words, the latter is far
>more precise in definition and usage.  So can we please forget the former,
>or at least remember it as an old but inaccurate (phylogenetically speaking)
>description of some amniotic tetrapods, and not use it in day to day
>parlance amongst people who understand perfectly well what an amniote is?

In Gauthier's terms:

Reptilia = the most recent common ancestor of turtles, lepidosaurs, and
archosaurs, and all of that ancestor's descendants.

If mammals are closer to diapsids (lepidosaurs and archosaurs), than
Amniota = Reptilia.

If mammals are outside of a diapsid-turtle clade, than Amniota contains

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