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Re: Big birds on Paleoworld
On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Ronald Orenstein wrote:
> >Someone mentioned Argentavus form South America. I was wondering if any
> >of you know the name of the large eagle from Australia? They found it's
> >remains in a cave along with some large flightless birds. I don't
> >remember what show I saw this on. Supposedly the flightless birds fell
> >in these big holes and somehow the eagle did too. Any help would be
> Are you thinking of Harpagornis moorei, the giant eagle from New Zealand?
> This was a Pleistocene/Holocene form. One of the three known skeletons was
> found in a cave in 1989 (cf Brian Gill, New Zealand's Extinct Birds, Random
> Century 1991); the largest, a presumed female, had a wingspan estimated at
> nearly 3m and weighed an estimated 10-13kg. The species may have preyed on
> moas, and may have survived until c. 500 years ago.
> BTW Argentavus is not an eagle but a teratorn; recent work suggests that the
> view of teratorns as oversize vultures may be incorrect, though what they
> were really doing I am not sure.
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What about the idea that teratorns, condors, and other new world vultures
are actually related to storks? BTW, do herons fit here as well? Can
anyone give me a good ref for an updated, in-depth bird classification?