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Re: Pronounciation of Giganotosaurus
On Thu, 11 Jan 1996, Amado Narvaez wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Jan 1996 Adgonia@aol.com wrote:
> As someone else
> pointed out, the correct pronunciation of the species name "carolinii" is
> "kare-oh-lee-nee-eye" with both "i's" at the end as separate syllables.
> Teachers who plan to use the Giganotosaurus song I posted should make
> that adjustment.
Yes; the species name consists of the (Italian) surname "Carolini" plus the
Latin genitive ending "-i" (equivalent to "of" or "belonging to").
> Norman King pointed out in a separate post that there is a lot of
> uncertainty about how Latin is pronounced,
There is no doubt that "g" and "c" in Latin were originally always hard.
> The German word for
> dinosaur is "Dinosaurier" and is (correct me if I'm wrong, Klaus)
> pronounced "Dee-no-sour-ee-er," and I would expect that the German
> pronunciation of the first syllable of "Tyrannosaurus" would reflect an
> umlauted "u" almost like the German word for "door."
An undoubled "s" in the middle of a word is usually pronounced like "z",
hence "dee-noh-ZOU-ree-er." As for "Tyrannosaurus," the Germans are
closer to the original Greek than we are. Greek upsilon (transliterated
as "y" or "u"), when by itself, i.e. not part of a diphthong, was
pronounced like German umlauted "u."
> If "dinosaur" means "terrible reptile" and "Deinonychus" means "terrible
> claw," and if both come from the Greek, why aren't they spelled and
> pronounced similarly? We also have "Deinocheirus" and "Deinodon" so
> maybe we should have "deinosaur" instead of "dinosaur." :-)
The diphthong "ei" (epsilon, iota) was originally pronounced "ay."
Later, however, the pronunciation shifted to "ee", and that is how it is
often transliterated into Latin (as a long "i"), hence the alternation
between "dinosaur" and "deinonychus." More modern usage appears to be
favoring the Greek spelling so perhaps the "terrible lizards," if named
today, *would* be "deinosaurs."
> I've often wondered, too, about the pronunciation of the first two
> syllables of "Stegosaurus" and "Stegoceras." In this case, the "o" is
> inherent in the Greek word for "roof."
I think it has more to do with the accent in English than anything else.
an accented, short "o" usually comes out as in "off,"
("steg-OSS-er-us) but an unaccented one usually comes out "oh"
> A year or two ago I started a long thread about dinosaur pronunciation
> among amateurs and professionals, and the general feeling was that
> variances in pronunciation exist in the professional ranks and that the
> pros don't grind their teeth when a lay person mispronounces a
> dinosaur's name. (They tend to grind their teeth most when glaring errors
> of information occur--like lay people calling "Dimetrodon" a dinosaur.)
I don't think pronunciation matters much, personally (but, as I told the
dinosaur flatware woman, if _Dimetrodon_ is a dinosaur, so am I!).
> ----- Amado Narvaez (der kein Spanisch kann, der aber gut Deutsch kann?!:-)
Pacific Lutheran University