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>Much as I enjoy the vast majority of your postings, Ron, I feel I must take
>exception on this occasion. Hoyle is without doubt a bright man, and his
>own field will be grateful to him for a long time to come for his pioneering
>work on the organic chemistry of gas nebulae.
>Even today the classic explanation for the evolution of life (chemical soup,
>high EM radiation, lots of time) stands up to only the most perfunctory
>examinations, and our present understanding of the origin of life remains
Yes, for this he is to be thanked. And, although I am no professional in
that field, I do read up on matters astronomical.
>In these circumstances Hoyle's ideas are certainly worth
>consideration at the least.
Duly considered and rejected. As I said, I have read the book. It is those
data which I challenged. Did I say that they were ignorant of all matters:
no, I did not. I said that they were paleontological morons, which can be
demonstrated by reading the book.
If a Nobeler said that an alliance of sentient left socks are going to take
over the world, is that idea "certainly worth consideration at the least"?
>This may only be a discussion group, but the written word has a life of its
>own. I would be very upset if, for example, in 20 years time it was
>'trendy' to believe that Birds Came First, and the Turtles not 'reptiles'
>but the sister group of the Synapsids, that Tom Holtz was subject to the
>level of ridicule that we've seen lately for saying in 1995 that Birds are
>derived maniraptorians, and that turtles are reptiles! That would be a
Indeed! However, they are not analogous situations. In the case of me, I
am using the data AS CURRENTLY UNDERSTOOD. In the case of H&W, they ignore
data known for decades, imply that paleontologists are part of an
international, 150 year conspiracy (SJ, take note! :-) ), and (most
importantly) are easily refuted by evidence of geochemistry, sedimentology,
comparative anatomy, etc., ad nauseum.
> Perhaps if some posts (maybe including this one)
>get the blood boiling we should go and do something else for 30 minutes
>before responding, instead of sending an adrenaline fired message that will
>turn sour in the net.
Fair enough. I did give people fair warning, though.
Thomas R. Holtz, Jr.
Dept. of Geology
University of Maryland
College Park, MD 20742