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Re: Tsintaosaurus and Mamenchisaurus

Hello Bill Parker,

    In response to the question of whether someone goofed (on Tsintaosaurus
spinorhinus and/or Mamanchisaurus:  As to Manenchisaurus, nobody goofed.
The wonderfully articulated skeleton of Mamenchisaurus hochuanensis was
excavated in 1957 a joint team from the Sichuan Museum and the Chonquing
Museum, requiring three months to expose the whole marvelous thing.
Excellent photographs document the completeness of the post-cranial
skeleton, and they are published in various books, including DINOSAURS FROM
CHINA by Dong Zhiming  (English translation by Angela C. Milner) published
by the British Museum (Natural History) and China Ocean Press (1988). page
37.  [If the incredible neck was not an adaptation to 'grazing'  IN WATER--
conceivably even to swimming --  then I'd like to hear a better

    As to Tsintaosaurus spinorhinus, it was excavated by Professor C.C.
Young in 1951 and named in 1958.  Photos in the book just referenced (pages
75 and 76) suggest to me that this 'spike' was probably NOT the result of
injury, because at its anterior base one clearly sees seemingly WELL-FORMED
central and latero-central bony support structures (ridges) that seemingly
would not be the result of injury.  Also, there is a distinct bifurcation at
the top on this 'spike' that looks natural and not trauma-related.  The
whole structure makes me wonder: Could it have supported an 'air bag' or
even a 'bellows-like' mechanism useful in producing loud, distinct calls?
Where are you Steven Speilberg? ;-)

    For what it's worth (or not worth), that my 'two bits' on the subject.

    Ray Stanford

-----Original Message-----
From: William Gibson Parker <wgp@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 1998 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Tsintaosaurus

>I wouldn't want to walk around with that spike sticking out of the top of
>my cranium.  It must have caught snagged and bumped on everything.  As for
>display, what sexy dino femme would be attracted to that?!  The fossil
>does seem a little unrealistic.  Of course I feel the same about
>Mammenchisaurus.  That neck is just ridiculous!  No wonder they are
>extinct!  Is there a chance someone goofed?
>-Bill Parker
>Northern Arizona University
>On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, luisrey wrote:
>> I would like to hear some opinions on Tsintaosaurus. Is it a chimaera? Is
>> the spike for real or an artifact of preservation and preparation?
>> Thanks for the help.
>> Luis Rey
>> Visit my website at http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~luisrey