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Ok, Tom, are you/others, lumping T. bataar with T. efremovi? So the
juvenile T. bataar's (which I don't know of any) are actually juvenile
T. efremovi's (which I have heard of)?

I thought useing juvenile characters wasn't a good idea because of the
changes to adult hood. Then why would the juvenile of one species/genus
be so like and adult of another species/genus than would it's adult

Dosen't this say something?