From: "Jaime A. Headden" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
CC: email@example.com, ELurio@aol.com
Subject: Re: non-avian "reptiles"
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:21:31 -0700 (PDT)
Ken Kinman wrote:
<I do recognize a clade Dinosauria informally (at the
end of my reptile classification---see below). I also
recognize a clade Synapsida informally (at the
beginning of my reptile classification----see below).>
What are your criteria for formal clades? I had
understood, going way back, that both Synapsida and
Dinosauria were fully described, diagnosed, and valid
I do understand the need to recognize ranks in some
systems, for whatever artificial grouping is being
recognized might require "ranking" of development from
some sort of basal form. Eric Lurio points out that
birds are so derived as opposed to geckoes that they
must be relegated to a less-equal, "higher" rank to
reflect that so many more changes occured in one
(birds) than the other (geckoes). However, similar to
the original bloom of this classification scheme
(Linné [née, Linneus], 1785?), this reflected a sense
of some sort of superiority in life, that warm-blood
or feathers was better than whatever back-water,
chilly flesh might exist in those slinking, unholy
There are herpetologists, I am sure, who work on
geckoes and whom find them the most fascinating
animals in the world. There are several unique
modifications in geckoes that are not present in _any_
other group of tetrapods (well, insects also have
hair-like extensions of the surface of _whatever_ that
allow them to walk up walls or on glass without
sliding). That's not counting many other features that
makes gekkonids much more unique than birds in many
respects -- including integument.
So this comes down to some rather weighted choice
over what animal will be more advanced than another,
and using that as the scale upon which the
classification is based. Not recognizing the unbiased
development of animals relative to one another will
not consider who's better during evolution. In fact,
there will be no weighing: geckoes have as much
airtime as birds [I should use pigeons, but....] do on
the evolutionary course, considering development.
There's not need to say birds are better, unless there
is a _want_ to have better birds than lizards. Do you
think homeothermy is more efficient or a better
metabolic degree than poikilothermy or gigantothermy,
or that in any way a heater always turned on is better
than one that's only only when needed? There are some
decidedly bad drawbacks to being a homeotherm,
including excessive production of heat and high
metabolic rates of consumption and production.
I personally do think birds are any better than
lizards, and have found some incredible diversity
(including flying animals) in the lizards and related
groups (*Icarosaurus*, *Kuhneosaurus*, etc.) that says
the birds don't have it all.
Jaime "James" A. Headden
Dinosaurs are horrible, terrible creatures! Even the
fluffy ones, the snuggle-up-at-night-with ones. You think
they're fun and sweet, but watch out for that stray tail
spike! Down, gaston, down, boy! No, not on top of Momma!
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