From: "Thomas R. Holtz, Jr." <email@example.com>
To: <firstname.lastname@example.org>, <email@example.com>
Subject: RE: dinosaur synapomorphies
Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:21:55 -0400
> From: firstname.lastname@example.org [mailto:email@example.com]On Behalf
> Ken Kinman
> Yes, I know about the Novas paper, but which of his listed dinosaur
> synapomorphies do other workers find the most convincing?
> Three or more sacral vertebrae is one of his listed
> synapomorphies, but
> I don't find that very convincing (especially if Staurikosaurus has
> two; other exceptions??). And an open acetabulum could have also
> twice, once in ornithischia and once in saurischia.
Actually, it could have arisen independantly in every species: that,
however, would not be the most parsimonious explanation.
In any case, given that herrerasaurids and _Saturnalia_ each have at best
semi-perforate acetabulum, a fully perforate condition may have arisen
independantly in theropods and sauropodomorphs (and thus independant as
in ornithischians). Alternatively, herrerasaurids and _Saturnalia_ could
have revereted to the ancestral condition.
> Are there any good synapomorphies away from the back area
> (hind limb &
> pelvis) of the animal, especially in the skull? I remember someone
> suggesting that "elongate vomers" could be a dinosaur
> synapomorphy, but that
> sounds so vague. Does anyone have specific information on this
> or any other
> dinosaur skull synapomorphies?
A big problem here is the lack of knowledge of the skulls of the immediate
outgroups of Dinosauria. We have a pretty good knowledge of the hindlimb
anatomy of these guys, but very little knowledge of their heads: thus, we
can say with more certainty what hindlimb characters dinosaurs have that
their relatives lacked, but not so for the skulls.
Here are Sereno's (1999. Science 284:2137-2147) dinosaurian
1. Postfrontal absent
2. Frontal participates in supratemporal fossa
3. Ectopterygoid dorsal to pterygoid
4. Quadrate head exposed laterally
5. Posttemporal opening reduced to small foramen
6. Dorsosacral (3 sacrals)
7. Ossified sternal plates present
8. Deltopectoral crest 35% or more of humeral length
9. Manual digit IV narrower than digits II and III without terminal ungual
10. Brevis fossa present
11. Femoral greater trochanter angular
12. Femoral medial tuberosity small
13. Cnemial crest present
14. Astragalar ascending process present
15. Astragalar anterolateral process lateral to calcaneum
16. Calcaneal medial process rudimentary
17. Distal tarsal 4 heel shallow
18. Metatarsal IV shaft sigmoid in anterior view
Of these, Sereno codes _Lesothosaurus_ as lacking #17; Sauropoda lacking
10 & 18; and _Eoraptor_ lacking 7; I might have coded some of the other
differently on top of that, and used a few additional characters.
this is a very good starting point.
Thomas R. Holtz, Jr.
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