Regarding what little we have heard about Carey's theory, it's not quite the same as the Orsen/Hopp concept. By claiming a middle ground between arborial and cursorial theories, Carey probably gets everybody mad at him over one thing or another. Hopp&Orsen, on the other hand come down squarely, and in no uncertain terms, in favor of the cursorial concept of Ostrom and others. Still, knowing that future references to "feathers got long for brooding" will probably cite Carey, not us, as first to raise the issue, is frustrating. There is of course, always Jeff Hecht's news coverage of our Dinofest presentation in New Scientist in 1998 ("Let me take you under my wing") but that's not a peer reviewed article by Hopp and Orsen, is it?