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Re: Predation in fossil record?
Not dinosaur, but we have a skull of a young cave bear with a V scratch and
puncture marks, the scratches and punctures may well match those eventually
made by canine teeth of a big wolf. It is undoubtedly not scavenging, since
the bone healed (we made a CAT scan) and the animal survived for a while.
It has been published somewhere, I have not the reference at hand but if
interested contact one of the authors at
At 06.04 24/06/2003 -0400, you wrote:
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Subject: RE: Predation in fossil record?
>> Apart from the "fighting dinos" and the munched
> > Edmontosaur who
> > lived to talk about it,
D. Tanke attributed tail trauma in hadrosaurs to trampling instead of
predation. The Denver Museum Edmontosaurus has a pit in one of its mangled
caudals, interpreted as a tooth mark by the author of the 1988 paper. M.
Brett-Surman, however, noted that "there are many diseases which cause
rotting or pitting of the bone."
what other evidence of actual hunting behavior is
> > there in the fossil record?
The PIN 3142/250 puncture wound, which healed.
> Excellent questions, discussed (in part) in:
> Farlow, J.O. & T.R. Holtz, Jr. 2002. The fossil record of predation in
> dinosaurs. Pp. 251-266, in M. Kowalewski & P.H. Kelley (eds.), The Fossil
> Record of Predation. The Paleontological Society Papers 8.
> PDF at http://www.yale.edu/ypmip/predation/Chapter_09.pdf
> Also, successful
> predation and scavenging leave identical traces in the fossil record
> in the case of the second, third, and nth scavenger at a corpse, where the
> tooth marks would cross-cut older marks).
> We can find occasional remains of unsuccessful predation attempts, to show
> assaults on living prey items.
> But, by and large, evidence for predation (or against predation) is
> ecomorphological: using comparative anatomy, biomechanics, and the like to
> compare fossil forms with modern analogs. With all the caveats that that
> Thomas R. Holtz, Jr.
A good traveler leaves no tracks.
Good speech lacks faultfinding.
A good counter needs no calculator.
A well-shut door will stay closed without a latch.
Skillful fastening will stay tied without knots.
Prof. Silvio Renesto
Department of Structural and Functional Biology
Università degli Studi dell'Insubria
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