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Re: A Converter to the Birds are Dinosaurs Camp(I'VE SEEN THE LIGHT!!!)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mickey Mortimer" <Mickey_Mortimer111@msn.com>
To: <dinosaur@usc.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: A Converter to the Birds are Dinosaurs Camp(I'VE SEEN THE
LIGHT!!!)


> John Bridgman wrote-
>
> > Upon looking at all the evidence you have shown me regarding the
> > bird/dinosaur relationship,I have come to a simple conclusion:
> >
> > YOU ARE ALL ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!
>
> Hallelujah!
> It's always good to see my posts have an effect, and to see someone's
> beliefs coincide with the scientific evidence.

No one can argue against solid evidence.

> However, as of now you have only our word that the evidence we presented
was
> true (and I don't think any of us who critiqued you has even graduated
from
> college).
What a coincidence!Neither have I!
  I strongly suggest you start looking in the primary literature to
> prove to yourself what we've been saying is true.  Here are some
references
> illustrating various points we made-
> * I can send you copies of those with asterisks.
>
> That Caudipteryx is a dinosaur-
> Barsbold, Osmólska, Watabe, Currie and Tsogtbaatar, 2000. A new
> oviraptorosaur (Dinosauria, Theropoda) from Mongolia: The first dinosaur
> with a pygostyle. Acta Paleontologica Polonica 45(2): 97-106.
> See http://www.cmnh.org/dinoarch/2001Jan/msg00820.html
> *Xu, Cheng, Wang and Chang, 2002b. An unusual oviraptorosaurian dinosaur
> from
> China. Nature 419, 291-293.
> Zhou, Wang, Zhang and Xu, 2000. Important features of Caudipteryx --
> Evidence from two nearly complete new specimens. Vertebrata PalAsiatica
> 38(4):241-254.
> See http://www.cmnh.org/dinoarch/2001Feb/msg00333.html
>
> That coelurosaur feathers are not collagen-
> *Currie and Chen, 2001. Anatomy of Sinosauropteryx prima from Liaoning,
> northeastern China. Canadian Journal of Earth Sciences, 38, 1705-1727.
> *Ji, Currie, Norell and Ji, 1998. Two feathered dinosaurs from
northeastern
> China. Nature, 393: 753-761.
> Ji, Norell, Gao, Ji and Ren, 2001.  The distribution of integumentary
> structures in a feathered dinosaur. Nature 410 (6832) 1084-1088.
> See http://www.cmnh.org/dinoarch/2001Apr/msg00683.html
> Padian, Ji and Ji, 2001. Feathered dinosaurs and the origin of flight. In:
> Mesozoic Vertebrate Life, edited by Tanke and Carpenter. Indiana
University
> Press, p. 117-135.
> Schweitzer, Watt, Avci, Knapp, Chiappe, Norell and Marshall, 1999.
> Beta-keratin specific immunological reactivity in feather-like structures
of
> the Cretaceous alvarezsaurid, Shuvuuia deserti. Journal of Experimental
> Zoology 285: 146-157.
> *Xu, Zhou and Prum, 2001.  Branched integumental structures in
> Sinornithosaurus and the origin of feathers.  Nature 410: 200-204.
> Xu, Zhou, Wang, Kuang, Zhang and Du, 2003. Four-winged dinosaurs from
China.
> Nature Vol. 421 pp. 335-340.
> http://www.cals.ncsu.edu/course/zo501/4WingedDino.pdf
>
> On the sorry state of the birds-aren't-dinosaurs movement today-
> Czerkas and Yuan, 2002. An aboreal maniraptoran from northwest China. In
> Czerkas (ed.), Feathered Dinosaurs and the origin of flight. The
> dinosaur Museum Journal Vol. 1 The Dinosaur Museum of Blanding, Utah.
> See http://www.cmnh.org/dinoarch/2002Sep/msg00774.html
> Czerkas, Zhang, Li and Li, 2002. Flying Dromaeasaurs. In Czerkas (ed.),
> Feathered Dinosaurs and the origin of flight. The Dinosaur Museum Journal
> Vol. 1 The Dinosaur Museum of Blanding, Utah.
> See http://www.cmnh.org/dinoarch/2002Sep/msg00774.html
> *Feduccia, 2002. Birds are dinosaurs: Simple answer to a complex problem.
> Auk. 119, 1187-1201.
> Makovicky and Dyke, 2001. Naive falsification and the origin of birds. In
> Gauthier and Gall (eds.). New Perspectives on the Origin and Early
Evolution
> of Birds. 501-510.
> Padian, 2001. The false issues of bird origins: An historiographic
> perspective. In Gauthier and Gall (eds.). New Perspectives on the Origin
and
> Early Evolution of Birds. 485-500.
> *Prum, 2002. Why ornithologists should care about the theropod origin of
> birds. Auk. 119, 1-17.
> *Prum, 2003. Are current critiques of the theropod origin of birds
science?
> Rebuttal to Feduccia (2002). The Auk. 120(2), 550-561.
> *Prum and Brush, 2002. The evolutionary origin and diversification of
> feathers. The Quarterly Review of Biology. 77(3), 261-295.
> Witmer, 2002. The debate on avian ancestry: Phylogeny, function and
fossils.
> In Chiappe and Witmer (eds.). Mesozoic Birds: Above the Heads of
Dinosaurs.
> 3-30.
>
> Mickey Mortimer