From: "David Marjanovic" <email@example.com>
To: "DML" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: (Paleognath monophyly)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:38:18 +0100
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From: "John Pourtless" <email@example.com>
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 1:49 PM
> I view it is a fundamental dichotomy between the morphological data on
> hand and the molecular data on the other. Morphological data is
> in its support for the neotenic state of paleognaths, and it remains a
> that time and again alleged synapomorphies of this assemblage are in
I don't understand why you state all these as facts. For example,
*Hesperornis* is not paleognath, and this has been known for decades. In
addition, Cracraft & Clarke (2001) have identified the following 5
states -- none of which is palatal! -- as apomorphies of Palaeognathae (all
- Posterior portion of dentary strongly forked
- Inflated alaparasphenoid
- Skull with highly pneumatic bone posterior to quadrate articulation
- Loss of caudal maxillary sinus
- Parental care involving primarily males
Sure, Cracraft has supported several suspect hypotheses, such as ostriches
and rheas being sistergroups, or ratites having lost flight only once, or
loons & grebes being sistergroups. But if you can deconstruct the above 5
characters, then please tell us how.
> Given the significant problems with molecular
> phylogenies of Neornithes (e.g., the placement of Aramidae
> in Sibley & Ahlquist 1990, which contradicts two centuries of
> morphological work including cladistic analysis),
Wait a little. Sibley & Ahlquist 1990 is molecular, but _not_ a phylogeny.
It's DNA-DNA hybridization -- in other words, _phenetics_. Pure phenetics.
For phylogenetic purposes, it can therefore be quite safely ignored.