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Re: Follow-up: the truth about killer dinosaurs

But... what is there in an accurate T. rex that doesn't spell "monster" in any lay people's mind?!
Why then does it have to be "even more monstrous" as to make it completely unreal?
And, although I agree that this might have been the case in Jurassic Park (yes, you are right: quoting Michel Trcic, they forced his model to be only 60% accurate because they wanted a 'monster') I doubt this was the case for WWD, where the animals were supposed to be "accurate dinosaurs in their own environment"... the aim of WWD was "giving certainty to people..." (in actual words of the producers, personal communication) not having a Disney adventure.
In what way having the wrong anatomy for the back of the head of T. rex and the attachment to the neck would make it more monstrous? I don't see WWD T. rex as more commercial than Jurassic Park's and... I even prefer Jurassic Park's T. rex head.
So what I see (and have seen) in many programs afterwards is that you can certainly be accurate and entertainingly monstrous, without science suffering so much in the process. Even Dinosaur Planet was vastly superior... and definitively: in the Disney movie Dinosaur I could read superior anatomy than in in a lot of WWD...lack of feathers, caricature velociraptors and iguanodon's lips notwithstanding!

On 31 Aug 2005, at 07:32, David Krentz wrote:

Well, I know how designing a dino can go wrong. The T.rex from WWD looks like the worst case of design by committee I've ever seen. Any artist can tell you that there is extra pressure when creating everyones favourite dinosaur. The expectation of what our worst fears look like is a hard one to capture. Even though it is an animal, and not a monster, people in entertainment look to it as 'the money-maker'. Therefore, the money people all have a say...as does the producers ex-wife's brother in law's goldfish.
After a while it all falls apart. On Disney's Dinosaur the carnotaur (notice i did not call it a carnotaurus?) would have been more silly if myself and a few others didn't create one model for the money people to look at one slightly different one for those of us that cared!
No one cared about the background dinosaurs like the styracosaurus and pachycelphalosaurs, so they turned out alright!
What I've found is that designing the girl and the monster in any movie are the hardest assignments. We all have a different version of what scares us, and what attracts us.
One of our directors on Dinosaur wanted the 'raptors' to be super beefy and muscular. He himself was muscular and someone who was stronger than he was scary to him. To me I thought a skinny raptor was scary because starving desperate people must scare me.
In my own opinion on movie dinosaurs, I thought the Jurassic Park T.rex was really well designed. It was caricatured enough to be a monster and an animal. Thanks Mike Trcic!!!

 David Krentz

On Aug 30, 2005, at 11:03 AM, Luis Rey wrote:

On 30 Aug 2005, at 09:38, John Hunt wrote:

Not sure why Luis was thankful the animation was not from WWD. It really
needs a makeover to keep up with the latest finds - mainly adding feathers,
but the WWD T. rex was much more lifelike than the new one, and had also not
just been to the dentist!

Can't agree, I'm afraid. First I would always advocate diversity and keep away from cliches (and WWD could become a cliche very easily) so any new reconstruction seen from a different artistic point of view is almost always refreshing (unless it is deadly wrong, and despite the long strides, wide skull and some minor defects in the animation, the T.rex from "The Truth of the Killer Dinosaurs" looked pretty decent to me).
Secondly, It has always been difficult to me to understand how - after so many good specimens and perfect, completely restored Tyrannosaurus skulls and anatomical treaties- a professional can still get it wrong. And that is exactly what they did in Walking With Dinosaurs: get the back of the skull (including the area of the temporal fenestrae and the muscular attachments of the lower jaw to the skull) completely >wrong<. The T. rex there is a chimera: the proportions are not quite right and the attachment of the skull to the neck looks also completely artificial.
To me, the general look of the WWD T.rex is more like a sophisticated, glorified version of one of the vilest T.rex puppets ever to star in a publication (namely "Tyrannosaurus, On The Trail Of The Ferocious Meat-Eating Dinosaur", Dorling Kindersley 1992). The WWD team took a while to get their dinosaurs completely right... the Allosaurus from "Ballad of Big Al" was pretty decent at last.

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