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--- Ken.Carpenter@dmns.org wrote:
> Since the sediments encasing the Proto and Veloc are
> eolian (wind blow), the quicksand scenario doesn't
> work. Quicksand doesn't work in real life either,
> except in old Tarzan movies. I too have played in
> quicksand. It is seldom deep and animals doesn't get
> stuck in them. They do in the mud of drying ponds,
> but such sediments become mudstone geologically.
> There have been feet of various fossil vertebrates
> found standing in such sediments (including a
> sauropod at Tendaguru).
Are we absolutly sure that quicksand is not dangerous?
Are there levels of sand to liquid that would create
the classic 'I'm sinking and struggleing only makes it
worse' quicksand? Because the collective fear of
quicksand created by the Tarzan movies permiates
throughout the land 30 years after they were so
What about dry quicksand? In Lawrence of Arabia and
Mad Max 3 they both show an instance of someone
getting suddenly sucked under and not getting back
out. Something like this could have taken them down
quick and held them in their battle pose.
Whatever took Romeo and Juliette down had to have been
pretty much instant.
> Kenneth Carpenter, Ph.D.
> Curator of Lower Vertebrate Paleontology
> and Chief Preparator
> Department of Earth Sciences
> Denver Museum of Nature & Science
> 2001 Colorado Blvd.
> Denver, CO 80205 USA
> ph: 303-370-6392/ or 6403
> fx: 303-331-6492
> for PDFs of my reprints, info about the Cedar Mtn.
> Project, etc. see:
> for fun, see also:
> From: email@example.com on behalf of Aidan
> Sent: Sat 7/23/2005 3:07 PM
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> Subject: RE: Ichthyosaurus fossilised in mid-birth
> --- Ken.Carpenter@dmns.org wrote:
> > Since the topic of collapse of wet dunes keeps
> coming up, I'll
> > comment. Anyone who has walked on a beach know
> that to progress
> > rapidly, you walk on the wet sand, not the dry.
> Why? Because wet sand
> > sticks together. It is very difficult to get an
> > collapse of the lee side of a wet dune. But a dry
> collapse is more
> > frequent as wind piles dry sand up until the angle
> of repose is
> > exceeded.
> There's a slightly different circumstance which
> I was alluding to
> in a couple of my earlier mailings - where you have
> water travelling
> *through* a sand body. The classic conditions for
> generating quicksand.
> I had a ... memorable ... encounter with some when I
> was a student
> doing my daily jog along the beach when I discovered
> a patch of
> quicksand caused by seawater trapped behind a sand
> bar and draining
> through the sand as the tide went out. Being caught
> knee-deep in
> quicksand, an hour after sundown, in an Aberdeen
> winter, on a deserted
> beach, soaked through and in a biting "sub-tropical"
> wind, is just what
> you need to drive Dr Trewin's tedious sedimentology
> lectures deep into
> your metamorphic petrologist's mind.
> > It then slides down rather suddenly. The model for
> > collapse was developed in the sand hills of
> Nebraska, in some rather
> > stable dunes. I would argue the analogy is wrong.
> > As for the Protoceratops and Velociraptor, there
> is clear evidence
> > that the two were dead at the time of burial
> Ah... kak interesant! But it still leaves a
> question of how come
> they both end up dead while wrapped in each other.
> > (see the PDF of my paper
> > describing evidence of predation by theropods - a
> paper that oddly
> > was only briefly mentioned by Farlow and Holtz in
> their review of
> > predation by theropods)
> Opoenming the page as I type. Well trying to.
> Someone needs to go
> and hit the satellite dish again I think. Or your
> server ... well I'll
> get it one of these days, just a bit sad and slower
> than normal today.
> Ah, life. Sheesh, I'd give my right arm to have
> normal dial-up access
> from here, not this glacial junk. Well, a couple of
> fingers maybe <G>
> You mean this one : Carpenter, K. 1998. Evidence
> of predatory
> behavior by carnivorous dinosaurs. Gaia 15: 135-144.
> (513 KB) ...
> Yeah, must be. Down-crawling now. Bedtime reading!
> Aidan Karley,
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