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*To*: don ohmes <d_ohmes@yahoo.com>*Subject*: Re: WAS-- Re: Hanson 2006, Mortimer, Baeker response*From*: "Jaime A. Headden" <qilongia@yahoo.com>*Date*: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:23:33 -0700 (PDT)*Cc*: dinosaur@usc.edu*In-reply-to*: <20060624123616.99174.qmail@web50803.mail.yahoo.com>*Reply-to*: qilongia@yahoo.com*Sender*: owner-DINOSAUR@usc.edu

Don Ohmes (d_ohmes@yahoo.com) wrote: <The historical context of "math" is lost or ignored here. Mathematical phenomena (eg, natural numbers, pi, the formulas for areas and volumes of various geometrical shapes) were explored through use of the "tangible universe" by early mathematicians. A person qualifying and quantifying pi with string and various round-ish objects, or exploring division and fractions with piles of beads was gathering _data_, and _testing_ that data against reality.> I would say, with some modicum of backup from mathematicians, I think, that math doesn't try to explain the physical or natural world, but rather explains its abstract version of it. It is easier to reference the relationship of objects no science can touch because math has already posited they exist and uses them to fill in the holes in its data, without having proof. A mathematician produces "proof" and this is inviolate, whereas a sciences seeks to find the best fit of what he sees and touches with the actual world, and then duplicates it in some other form. That is, he applies his natural observation to another piece of a natural world. Thus, the two are distinctly different in principle and practice. However, don't take my world for it, here's a mathematician: http://euclid.trentu.ca/math/sb/misc/mathsci.html Of course, Wiki, whatever great fount of knowledge that it is, also has some bit to say on the subject, here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics#Is_mathematics_a_science.3F Cheers, Jaime A. Headden http://bitestuff.blogspot.com/ "Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

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