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Re: Integument. . . extant vx extinct

Nothing wrong with healthy, enlivened scientific debate. . . the polarities in opinion seem to eventually tease the truth from the fossil material. Skepticism does keep science honest, but can also be self limiting if you don't entertain ideas "outside the box". Of course these ideas don't qualify as science until they can be proven through physical evidence or repetition, but in order to locate the evidence or test the efficacy of the theory, you have to muse over the potential questions first (catch 22?).

Once the specimen(S) in volume are collected, examined and substantiate a verifiable truth reinforced by the objective observations of the majority of the scientific population, it's probably time to accept the shift in paradigm and move along, or re-examine your methodology.

As to Tyrannosaurus. . . Phil Currie and others have suggested modified lifestyle strategies in large theropods, speedy active predaceous behaviour in juveniles, possible (organized?) pack hunting and gregarious habits in general. Tom Holtz considers active hunting / kleptophagous marauding as reasonable and all seem to favor opportunistic scavenging as part of the feeding repetoire. As these animals mature, age and suffer the ravages of daily life, is it unreasonable to assume they might favor scavenging over aggressive and competitive hunting sprees of animals in their prime? This is not to suggest they would not hunt when the necessity of hunger or opportunity presented itself, but in the heirarchy of feeding mechanisms available to animals "long in the tooth" and at greater risk for injury, why kill it if you can steal it?. . . better still, why try to steal it if you can find it for free?. . . all of which hinges upon availability of potential prey, injured or already deceased. So while hard to justify an exclusive scavenging lifestyle, maybe the trend in the oldest individuals was dictated more by limited physical ability than choice.

Mike S.

I think finds like this are definitely important to
our overall understanding of life on Earth (and
reality in general). It's also important because it
forces us to keep in mind that fuzz need not evolve
solely (or even at all) for the purpose of insulation
(I certainly don't hear any marine biologists calling
this guy warm-blooded).

If it were only known from fossils then I'd certainly
hope that there would be great reluctance in accepting
it. Skepticism keeps science honest. It was skepticism
that exposed Piltdown man, "Archaeoraptor" and the
alleged human clone cells.

Even though we are 99.9% sure that dogs came from
wolves and that water is composed of two hydrogens and
an oxygen, it still pays to question the mainstream
views now and again (preferably with valid doubts, and
not just hand waving, "I don't like it" arguments). As
such I can't really condone the works of the BAND
crowd, nor Horner's views on _T.rex_. Still, I am glad
that they are there. It would be nice if Horner didn't
get as much air time with these particular views, but
it's still good to ask these things every now and

Hell, just think of where dinosaurs (and knowledge of
animal thermophysiology in general) would still be if
Ostrom, Bakker et al didn't question the mainstream
view of dinosaurs?


"I am impressed by the fact that we know less about many modern [reptile] types than we do of many fossil groups." - Alfred S. Romer

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