[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index][Subject Index][Author Index]
Re: Jurassic Croc Found With Fish Like Tail
This new discovery in Oregon of a Jurassic croc with a fish-tail and
needle-like teeth is an exciting find for anyone interested in Native
American traditions and artistic images of water serpents with fish-
tails and needle teeth, and long bodies covered in scutes or scales
and with fin or paddle-like appendages.
These notable features of the Jurassic crocodile (needle teeth,
forked fish-tail, scales or scutes) are also the distinctive
characteristics of water monster representations among the Kiowa,
Sioux, the Pomo of northern California, and other tribes.
The 6-8 ft long croc skeleton in Oregon was fairly well preserved and
weathering visibly out of rock, so in theory a similar fossil could
have been noticed by untrained Indian observers in the past. The
artist's illustration of the croc by Jon Hughes for the NARG has a
remarkable resemblance to the Kiowa artist Silverhorn's sketch of a
water monster with scales or scutes, long narrow head with needle
teeth and a forked fish-tail, in the Smithsonian, drawn in 1891-94 to
illustrate the Kiowa legends of water serpents. Hughes illustration
of the croc also matches the way the Pomo Indians describe and
depict a fish-tailed, needle-toothed water monster called Bagil, and
some other northern California traditional water serpent images.
For the Kiowa images see p 193, Fig. 57, in Mayor, "Fossil Legends of
the First Americans" (Princeton, 2005).
If anyone would like to have jpgs of these Kiowa images or wants to
contact an archaeologist/anthropologist working for the NPS in
Northern California who is an expert on Native American images of
fish-tailed water serpents, please email me off list.
On Mar 20, 2007, at 10:15 AM, Richard W. Travsky wrote:
An ancient sea-going crocodile has surfaced from the rocks of Crook
County in eastern Oregon. Really.
It's discovery by the North American Research Group (NARG), whose
members were digging for Jurassic-age mollusks known as ammonites, is
another confirmation that the Blue Mountains consist of rocks that
traveled from somewhere in the Far East, says retired University of
Oregon geologist William Orr, who was called in to examine the find
for the state.
The remains - about 50 percent of a 6- to 8-foot reptile, including
long, needlepoint teeth - were found imbedded in Jurassic rock on
private property in the Snowshoe Formation of the Izee Terrane south
of Dayville, Ore.
"This taxon was a crocodile-like creature but had a fish tail," said
Orr, a NARG adviser and director of the Thomas Condon State Museum of
Fossils at the University of Oregon.
The remains of the crocodile, believed to be from the species
Thalattosuchia and member of the Metriorhynchids group, now belong to
the state, Orr said.