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There is an old saying pertaining to the "grounds up/ tree down" dichotomy.
If you pick one of the truths, it will become false and you will become a 
fanatic. --dale

> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 22:27:39 -0800
> From: tehdinomahn@live.com
> To: dinosaur@usc.edu
> Subject: RE: PNAS
> The main problem that folks such as Ruben seem to be having is the notion 
> that a dinosaurian origin of birds absolutely necessitates a ground-up origin 
> of flight. This is obviously just wrong; for one thing, BANDits have yet to 
> demonstrate that *NO* small coelurosaurian theropod had any sort of climbing 
> capabilities, something they really *must* do if they are going to claim that 
> avian flight evolved from the trees-down and at the same time reject a 
> dinosaurian origin for birds. They just somehow seem unable to grasp the 
> concept of an arboreal (or even scansorial) theropod dinosaur, for reasons 
> totally unknown.
> I think that David Marjanović once stated that BANDitism is 'nothing but one 
> single bloated argument from ignorance', or something to that effect. To that 
> I say: Dead on.
> ~ Michael
>> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:51:26 +0000
>> From: df9465@yahoo.co.uk
>> To: dinosaur@usc.edu; vrtpaleo@usc.edu
>> Subject: PNAS
>> Study challenges bird-from-dinosaur theory of evolution - was it the other 
>> way around?
>> -------
>> A new study just published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of 
>> Sciences provides yet more evidence that birds did not
>> descend from ground-dwelling theropod dinosaurs, experts say, and continues 
>> to challenge decades of accepted theories about the evolution
>> of flight.
>> Full pop article here:
>> http://www.physorg.com/news184959295.html
>> PNAS has recently published widely disputed (to put it mildly) papers on 
>> venomous theropods, and arthropod-velvet worm hybridisation hypothesis on 
>> the origin of larvae. Now this. Is peer review alive and well at PNAS?
>> ----------------------------------
>> Denver Fowler
>> df9465@yahoo.co.uk
>> http://www.denverfowler.com
>> -----------------------------------
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