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RE: OT Re: FW: OT Re: FW: Dinosaur Calendar Project



That kind of ties it up rather neatly.

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> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 06:45:09 -0300
> From: lor@fibertel.com.ar
> To: dinosaur@usc.edu
> Subject: RE: OT Re: FW: OT Re: FW: Dinosaur Calendar Project
>
> Here's another theory:
>
> Constantine was worried by the disintegration of the empire, with the 
> drifting apart of Rome and Byzantium, and the increasing independence of some 
> provinces. He saw in monotheism a unifying factor that he could benefit from 
> by bringing together "Romans" from very different origins and beliefs. so he 
> summoned alll the christian bishops to reunite in Nicea of 325 AD and 
> established the foundings of the christian religion as we know it today, 
> cleaning up the diverging trends that were starting to appear, such as 
> arrianism, to form a monolithic body of beliefs that will be followed by all 
> christians. This creed he make the official religion of the Empire, for 
> reasons not spiritual, but political.
>
> Bishop = another form of extant dinosaur (and thus back into topic) ;^)
>
> Luis Oscar Romero, lor@fibertel.com.ar
> 2010-01-05
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> From: dale mcinnes
> Receiver: tijawi,DML
> Time: 2010-01-05, 01:03:17
> Subject: RE: OT Re: FW: OT Re: FW: Dinosaur Calendar Project
>
>
> Tim. I didn't know that about Constantine's mother. That would make a lot
> of sense. Its obvious that this competitiveness between some of the Pagans
> and the Christians went back much further. Afterall, Christians were never
> originally favoured until their "messiah" was seen/converted to a Pagan god.
> So I see it as simply Pagans v.s. Pagans. And the Christian "pagans" won out.
>
> It is so important to know how specific origins in various cultures impact
> on our present lives. Why we're buried up to our eyeballs in this particular
> cultural environment. To understand its dynamics more, so that we are better
> able to cope with it. I always thought that the dynamics of Darwinian
> competition were always at play here.
>
> These are not frivolous questions.
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>> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 18:38:32 -0800
>> From: tijawi@yahoo.com
>> Subject: Re: FW: OT Re: FW: OT Re: FW: Dinosaur Calendar Project
>> To: dinosaur@usc.edu
>> CC: wdm1949@hotmail.com; tijawi@yahoo.com
>>
>>
>> dale mcinnes wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I was referring to the original mechanism behind "turning" the
>>> 1st Christian Emperor. Constantine I didn't do it on his own.
>>> (or at least I'm not aware).
>>
>>
>> Constantine's mother (Helena) was a Christian, so she may have had something 
>> to do with his later conversion. She was later canonized by the Eastern 
>> Orthodox Church as St Helena.
>>
>>
>> Constantine I converted to Christianity in 312 AD after achieving victory at 
>> the Battle of Milvian Bridge over a rival emperor. According to Christian 
>> lore, he received a sign from the Christian God before the battle (there are 
>> different versions on the precise nature of the sign).
>>
>>
>>> If untrue, it then does seem to be a persistent myth out there that
>>> eventually ensnared me as well.
>>
>>
>> Yes, history is very similar to paleontology in this respect. Certain myths 
>> persist, and if they are mentioned enough they eventually snowball into 
>> "facts". Like, "Stegosaurus had an extra brain above its hips" or 
>> "Tyrannosaurus was principally a scavenger" or "Sauropods spent most of 
>> their time in water". Sometimes the superficial intuitive attraction of an 
>> idea overrides the hard data that argue against an idea.
>>
>>
>>> What, if anything, was the reason for Constantine to
>>> take this particular path??
>>
>>
>> Why not? If we discount the divine inspiration tale (I do), there was the 
>> influence of his mother. Also, some of Constantine's predecessors were 
>> experimenting with eastern monotheistic religions. For example, Emperor 
>> Aurelian (one of the more successful 3rd century emperors) adopted a form of 
>> sun-worship practiced in the East. As you noted, the date of their holiest 
>> day was co-opted by the Christians as Christmas Day.
>>
>>
>>> I had always thought that he did it out
>>> of some sort of self-preservation (notwithstanding the
>>> power he wielded).
>>
>>
>> Self-preservation? Unless he was protecting himself against the wrath of 
>> God, this is unlikely. Constantine I succeeded because he ruthlessly 
>> eliminated all his rivals, either by execution or civil war. He even had his 
>> wife and eldest son executed. Religion had nothing to do with Constantine's 
>> self-preservation.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
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