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Re: Pickering's nomina nuda (was RE: Rob Gay's print-on-demand publication of Kayentavenator elysiae



Actually, I agree with the decision that dissertations are not valid outlets for nomenclatorial actions. Those should go through the regular peer review process and be published in the appropriate journal. My point was that if dissertations are not a valid venue then how in the hell can self publication via Lulu Press or other similar outlets even be debated as acceptable.

Dan

Jaime Headden wrote:
  So, a question arises:

  If dissertations of any stripe are considered legitimate publications, why? Are they 
works intended for the purpose of a public record? Many institutions at least restrict 
access or embargo their student's dissertations at all levels, making their contents 
"secret." This violates the idea of public availability, and would remove those 
institutions' dissertations from the list of acceptable publications, even though they 
_are_ publications in previously defined definitions of the term.

  If a dissertation is meant to be preliminary, but produces terminology that 
can otherwise compete for priority or usage, such as geologic or taxonomic 
nomenclature (that it produces this nomenclature in keeping with the ICZN, for 
example, or the IUGS), can it be permitted if the author indicates that he 
would otherwise publish this work?

  Can we retroactively consider dissertations to be published for the purposes 
of nomenclature or discussion, even when they are cites for the latter but not 
the former today, or are we restricted to dissertations only produced after the 
point at which they are considered viable?

  If a dissertation is peer-reviewed, does it go through the same anonymous 
review a paper in _Nature_ or _Palaeontology_ does, or is its review restricted 
to a panel hearing the oral presentation (if present), the review committee, 
and the acknowledged draft reviewers before the fact? Is this type of anonymous 
review required if the dissertation is meant only to be preliminary?

  Some, if not most, institutions in Europe hold their student's these and 
dissertations from the public, while those in the US are publically deposited 
and can be acquired at personal cost from a storage facility. Are only US 
dissertations available for the purpose of nomenclature, or can we just make 
this international and force the institutions of other countries to follow 
suit? Do we have the right of it, or they?

  These are all issues that plague dissertations and are, I think, the reason 
dissertational nomenclature is not considered viable for the purposes of the 
ICZN. I am willing to be corrected on this, if I've gotten anything here wrong. 
Note that I am not arguing that dissertations _should_ be excluded, but as it 
stands, some of them are treated differently than others, based on their home 
institutions or country's rules and laws.

Cheers,

Jaime A. Headden
The Bite Stuff (site v2)
http://qilong.wordpress.com/

"Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969)


"Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a
different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race
has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or
his new way of looking at things." --- Zapp Brannigan (Beast With a Billion 
Backs)





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From: mike@indexdata.com
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 13:16:05 +0100
Subject: Re: Pickering's nomina nuda (was RE: Rob Gay's print-on-demand 
publication of Kayentavenator elysiae
To: danchure@easilink.com
CC: qi_leong@hotmail.com; tijawi@yahoo.com; dinosaur@usc.edu

On 10 June 2010 13:07, Dan Chure  wrote:
I find it somewhat ironic that names in a dissertation which have gone
through the peer review of a committee and a copy of which can be obtained
either by purchase or sometimes free from either Dissertations International
or the degree awarding institution are not considered published in an
acceptable publication. but those self published  through  Lulu Press are.
What he said.

The non-"published" status of a freely available dissertation is a
complete nonsense.

It'll be first up against the wall when the revolution comes.



Dan

Jaime Headden wrote:
 I tend to regard nomina nuda as validly published nomenclature that do
not otherwise satisfy the ICZN's requirements for publication as nomina
valida. That is, were *Quetzalcoatlus northropi* published without a
concurrent description or photo, but in a legitimate venue, it would be a
nomen nudum. The same cannot be said of Pickering's taxa, since the ICZN
specifically indicates that the lack of satisfaction for two of its
requirements means that names he produced aren't even recognized nomina of
any sort. While both Mortimer and Olshevsky regard these taxa as nomina
nuda, I don't regard them as nomina at all. And not to rag on Mortimer and
Olshevsky too much, but there are names that are effectively _nicknames_ of
specimens that are used as nomina nuda, and the latter even argues for
dissertation-produced names for being nomina, nuda or otherwise, despite the
ICZN restricting dissertations from the list of acceptable publications.
 So there are really three levels to this:

 1. Published terminology that roughly corresponds to a label for
something, be it a clade or a specimen, used as taxonomy. These are not
nomina of any sort.

 2. Published terminology that meets some but not all of the ICZN's
requirements. These are nomina nuda or nomina vana, depending on the usage.

 3. Published terminology that meets all of the ICZN's requirements. These
are nomina valida (unless set aside for formal reasons -- rejecta -- or
forgotten through disuse or disregard -- oblita).

 A fourth category, should we feel inclined, lies between 1 and 2 (call it
1.5) which corresponds to _lapsus calami_, and are not considered nomina
nuda or anything, and cannot compete for priority or be useful for elevation
of status, without special action in cases where two names are potential
lapses for one another.

Cheers,

Jaime A. Headden
The Bite Stuff (site v2)
http://qilong.wordpress.com/

"Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969)


"Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a
different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race
has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or
his new way of looking at things." --- Zapp Brannigan (Beast With a
Billion Backs)





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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 16:54:41 -0700
From: tijawi@yahoo.com
To: dinosaur@usc.edu
CC: tijawi@yahoo.com
Subject: Pickering's nomina nuda (was RE: Rob Gay's print-on-demand
publication of Kayentavenator elysiae

Jaime Headden  wrote:



As noted by Tim, Pickering's works are produced in a
fashion that prohibits access to them, a clear violation of
two of the ICZN's requirements for publication
(accessibility, and deposition), and by this reason are
regarded by the majority (if not all but a very small
number) of workers.

I really didn't think that *anyone* accepts Pickering's proposed new
genera ("Walkersaurus") and species ("Elaphrosaurus philtippetensis",
"Tyrannosaurus stanwinstonorum", etc) as valid. Even George Olshevsky, who
has erected several dinosaurs names via self-publication, regards
Pickering's names as nomina nuda (e.g., see
http://www.polychora.com/dinolist.html).


Pickering's self-published 'works' typically take the form of paranoid
rants that cover a wide range of topics, from national socialism to Sigmund
Freud to King King; the new dinosaur names are inserted as a kind of
afterthought. However, neither the deplorable and self-indulgent quality of
his works, nor the fact that the works were self-published, are the reasons
why Pickering's names are universally held to be nomina nuda. As Jaime says,
it is because Pickering made no attempt to establish a permanent scientific
record. It appears that his 'works' (newsletters) were sent unsolicited to
various paleontologists (and others, such as Steven Spielberg), and
therefore qualify only as private correspondence.


Thus, when Roger Benson erected the new genus _Duriavenator_ for
_Megalosaurus hesperis_, the fact that Pickering had previously named the
same species "Walkersaurus" had no impact at all on priority, because
"Walkersaurus" was a nomen nudum.


Nevertheless, it is a frightening thought that if Pickering had bothered
to deposit his 'works', and made them accessible, that we might have been
stuck with all his horrible monikers ("Elaphrosaurus philtippetensis", and
so on). Then again, the more likely outcome is that subsequent workers would
have ignored his plethora of names in their own publications - w
o have happened anyway.


Cheers

Tim







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