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RE: New paper on pre-Archaeopteryx coelurosaurian dinosaurs

Possibly the most scientific approach to this question would be to
look at the whole configuration space of possible leg positions, like
it was done by Hutchinson, Gatesy and some other guy (*cough, cough*)

Journal of Vertebrate Paleontology 29(2):535-544. 2009 http://www.rvc.ac.uk/Aboutus/Staff/jhutchinson/documents/23_000.pdf

On Wed, 27 Oct 2010, Jaime Headden wrote:

And depends on the level to which you will push "hip height." A shorter tail 
for an oviraptorosaur, if the animal were like birds, would indeed make the femur a far 
less important element of the effective limb length (and therefore hip height). However, 
unlike birds, the femur is quite long compared to the rest of the body, and we would 
assume it was far more vertical than in, say, a pigeon or ostrich. As such, the effective 
limb length, despite the short tail (the tail is known, it IS short) would be closer to 
the total limb length than it would in a bird. Moreover, the animal was likely tilted 
upwards at the hip, would places the anterior ilium above the midlength height of the 
ilium, so if we really wanted to, iliac height increases the body profile above the hip 
quite significantly, unlike in, say, *Tyrannosaurus bataar.*


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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:51:39 +0200
From: david.marjanovic@gmx.at
To: dinosaur@usc.edu
Subject: Re: New paper on pre-Archaeopteryx coelurosaurian dinosaurs

Rescued from truncation:

That sums to 322.4 cm (assuming totally erect hindlimb posture,
which of course is wrong). I can see where you'd add on a few extra
cm for the cartilaginous joints, but a whole 80 cm?

and please keep in mind that Senter and Robins (2010) assume less
so you'd have to add some cm to *G.*, too. Assuming identical limb
angles in both taxa, *G.* stays taller.

I'd assume a bit more limb flexion in *G.*, though, because as an
oviraptorosaur it probably had a shorter tail.

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