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Re: Greg Paul is right (again); or "Archie's not a birdy"
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- Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 09:03:41 -0400
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It is a bit ambiguous compared to today's very precise definitions,
but here's what he wrote:
“the clade that is demarcated from its antecedents by the appearance
of the evolutionary novelty ‘feathers’”
As cited in Taylor, 2007.
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
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>> On Behalf Of Matthew Martyniuk
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>> Subject: Re: Greg Paul is right (again); or "Archie's not a birdy"
>> To be fair, this again depends on how you define Aves. The
>> oldest phylogenetic definition published for Aves is an
>> apomorphy-based on anchored on the presence of feathers
>> (Charig, 1985). In this usage (which is just as valid as any
>> other pre-PhyloCode), feathers are not only a fundamental
>> avian attribute, they are the *defining* attribute of Aves.
>> (How you define 'feather' is another story).
> I find it highly unlikely that Charig defined ANYTHING phylogenetically! What
> is his actual statement? I suspect it something more
> along the line of "Aves is defined by the presence of feathers"; if so, that
> is simply traditional pre-cladistic gradistic
> classification. On the other hand, a statement along the lines of "Aves is
> that entire branch of the tree of life descended from the
> first feathered animal", that is a fairer claim to a phylogenetic defintion.