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Re: Greg Paul is right (again); or "Archie's not a birdy"

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 5:36 AM, evelyn sobielski <koreke77@yahoo.de> wrote:
> If this is correct, there should be a lot of recent neontological literature 
> that uses Aves and Neornithes synonymously. There isn't. At a cursory glance, 
> I could not find ANY post-phenetics neontological study where "modern 
> birds/crown birds" = Aves.

I would guess that "Neornithes" is usually not even mentioned.

> But for most other competitors now (post-_Xiaotingia_) Aves = Paraves for 
> practical purposes.

No, _Eumaniraptora_. (_Paraves_ is branch-based. IIRC _Graciliraptor_
was originally found to be a non-eumaniraptoran paravian.)

> Re Tim: I wouldn't use Hesperornithes/ _Hesperornis regalis_ to delimit 
> *anything* except their own lineage, considering the experience with 
> "Gaviomorphae".

Is that really still relevant?

T. Michael Keesey