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RE: Do we have dromaeosaurid evolution backward?

Hopp and Orsen do actually argue that their hypothesis can help explain the 
aerodynamic aspect, as the narrower "leading" edge of the vanes is more 
conducive to tight folding, rather than just to aeroplaning the wing planform. 
This would then go hand in hand with wings that tend to be tightly folded, 
rather than just forming "wings" and gliding surfaces. Those then become 
exaptations. It may progress from a brooding "wing," running aerofoils, WAIR 
aerofoils, parachuting -> gliding aerofoils, which would then force the wing to 
develop "braking" mechanisms such as the alula to assist in retarding stall. 
Wing planform control can exist very early on in the evolution of the 
structure, and need not ever involve the development of flight.


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> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 15:28:23 +1000
> From: tijawi@gmail.com
> To: dinosaur@usc.edu
> Subject: Re: Do we have dromaeosaurid evolution backward?
> David Marjanovic <david.marjanovic@gmx.at> wrote:
> >>  As I see it, one major problem with this idea is that if large,
> >>  pennaceous feathers originally evolved for aerodynamic purposes,
> >>  these feathers are unlikely to have arisen in "large" (2-4m long)
> >>  theropods that used their forelimbs for catching prey.
> >
> > I suppose that's where Hopp & Orsen (1998) come in.
> Using the forelimbs to help incubate eggs might explain the presence
> of big pennaceous feathers. But it doesn't explain why those feathers
> would be aerodynamic. Or else, this step (bipinnate, aerodynamic
> vanes) arose at least twice.
> Cheers
> Tim