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RE: Greg Paul is right (again); or "Archie's not a birdy"



*Aves* is (or should be) restricted to the crown.

Cheers,

  Jaime A. Headden
  The Bite Stuff (site v2)
  http://qilong.wordpress.com/

"Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969)


"Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a
different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race
has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or
his new way of looking at things." --- Zapp Brannigan (Beast With a Billion 
Backs)


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> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:51:51 -0700
> From: pristichampsus@yahoo.com
> To: dinosaur@usc.edu
> Subject: Re: Greg Paul is right (again); or "Archie's not a birdy"
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: Mike Taylor <mike@indexdata.com>
> > To: keesey@gmail.com
> > Cc: Dinosaur Mailing List <dinosaur@usc.edu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, 27 July 2011 4:36 PM
> > Subject: Re: Greg Paul is right (again); or "Archie's not a birdy"
> >
> > On 27 July 2011 18:34, Mike Keesey <keesey@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Thomas R. Holtz, Jr.
> > <tholtz@umd.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> An Archaeopteryx-like theropod from China and the origin of Avialae
> >>>
> >>> Xing Xu,         Hailu You,      Kai Du  & Fenglu Han
> >>> Nature 475, 465–470 (28 July 2011) doi:10.1038/nature10288
> >>> Received 16 November 2010 Accepted 10 June 2011 Published online 27
> > July 2011
> >>>
> >>> Archaeopteryx is widely accepted as being the most basal bird, and
> >>> accordingly it is regarded as central to understanding avialan origins;
> >>> however, recent discoveries of derived maniraptorans have weakened the
> >>> avialan status of Archaeopteryx. Here we report a new
> > Archaeopteryx-like
> >>> theropod from China. This find further demonstrates that many features
> >>> formerly regarded as being diagnostic of Avialae, including long and
> >>> robust forelimbs, actually characterize the more inclusive group
> > Paraves
> >>> (composed of the avialans and the deinonychosaurs). Notably, adding the
> >>> new taxon into a comprehensive phylogenetic analysis shifts
> > Archaeopteryx
> >>> to the Deinonychosauria. Despite only tentative statistical support,
> > this
> >>> result challenges the centrality of Archaeopteryx in the transition to
> >>> birds. If this new phylogenetic hypothesis can be confirmed by further
> >>> investigation, current assumptions regarding the avialan ancestral
> >>> condition will need to be re-evaluated.
> >>
> >> Very cool!
> >>
> >> Yet another reason why the definition of "Aves" should not rest
> > on
> >> _Archaeopteryx_.
> >
> > Really?
> >
> > Wouldn't it have been AT LEAST equally cool to have reported this
> > study under the headline Velociraptor Was A Bird?
> >
> > -- Mike.
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++
> ar) unmentioned part of this story is what happens to Aves.
>
> Jason
> >