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RE: Interesting, veeery interesting
I can only say that Paul has a certain grudge against the former Weimar
Republic that he refuses to let go or act on in a form more fitting of
academical pursuit or dispensation of knowledge. I can say a lot more that
would be less polite about the habits that might make one use these terms on a
paleo and science listserv, but that doesn't belong on this one.
I call Paul to account: Why was it necessary to use these bigoted remarks
when doing without them would have been sufficient and less incendiary?
Jaime A. Headden
The Bite Stuff (site v2)
"Innocent, unbiased observation is a myth." --- P.B. Medawar (1969)
"Ever since man first left his cave and met a stranger with a
different language and a new way of looking at things, the human race
has had a dream: to kill him, so we don't have to learn his language or
his new way of looking at things." --- Zapp Brannigan (Beast With a Billion
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 09:50:29 +0100
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> Subject: Re: Interesting, veeery interesting
> Is this kind of casual racism ('krauts' etc) acceptable on a public,
> international forum? You guys may well have had the kind of personal
> relationship where such a thing was taken as an affectionate term, but
> I'm not sure that makes it cool to sling it around like that.
> Also, Heinrich - Godwin's law is pretty much nonsense. As any
> discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving ANY
> topic approaches 1. It's the old infinite monkeys, infinite
> typewriters thought experiment wearing a different hat.
> On 29 September 2011 06:22, Heinrich Mallison
> <email@example.com> wrote:
> > Godwin says whoever says you're wrong has already won the argument :p
> > On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:22 AM, <GSP1954@aol.com> wrote:
> >> I know of three complete brachiosaur scapula coracoids from the Tendarguru
> >> (BMNH 5937 and HMN Ki24 don't know new catalog # of latter if there is one)
> >> & Morrison (BYU 9462). In all three the coracoid is small relative to the
> >> scapula. At least it seems so in Migeod's quarry map of 5937 which does get
> >> the overall size of the 2200 mm scapcoracoid about right. In both of the
> >> other
> >> two the scapular distal tip to glenoid scap-coracoid contact/coracoid
> >> antero-post length is high at about 3.25 because the coracoid is small. Of
> >> these
> >> three 9462 (Jensen's Ultrasaurus) is the largest and the coracoid is about
> >> 650 mm long (again that's antero-posterior).
> >> Riggs states the coracoid assigned to the holotype B altithorax is 870 mm
> >> and that is close to the measurement from the figure, so its a big momma
> >> even
> >> when compared to the ilium of the holotype as in Rigg's Pl LXXV. If the
> >> scapula/coracoid length ratio is the same as in the others then the
> >> combined
> >> scapcoracoid was some 3250 mm.
> >> Let us curse the from what I know fascist Janensch. He states that the
> >> coracoid of the B. brancai lectotype 2181(ex S II) is 840 mm, but the
> >> figure
> >> seems to indicate a much smaller element. What, you can't count on even
> >> the old
> >> Krauts to get these things right? Jeez. I am not sure what is in the
> >> mounted skeleton, but the right element does match the original element in
> >> form,
> >> and there is no way that is anywhere close to 840 mm, it is more like 620
> >> (if
> >> someone has an direct measurement of this element please let me know).
> >> In fig 4 at www.miketaylor.org.uk/dino/brachio/extras.html the 2181
> >> coracoid measures 710 mm long which I suspect is at least15% too large,
> >> and the
> >> supposed B altithorax coraocid is 850 which may be a tad small, so I don't
> >> think the size comparison is correct.
> >> Note that in the composite B altithorax skeleton incl Taylor's in which
> >> 9462 is scaled in the coracoid is just 575 mm. Try to insert the 870 mm
> >> coraocid and it just don't fit in well.
> >> So I am sticking to the conclusion that the supposed B altithorax holotype
> >> coracoid is way too big for it to be assumed to be part of the rest of the
> >> skeleton.
> >> GSPaul
> >> </HTML>