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Re: Jack Horner married
I agree. The DML is not a gossip forum for high-profile
palaeontologists, and I think these discussions are actually rather rude
and inconsiderate of the concerned parties, who happen to be our
colleagues, peers and friends. Time to can this thread, I reckon.
Dr. Mark Witton
Palaeobiology Research Group
School of Earth and Environmental Sciences
University of Portsmouth
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>>> Paul P <firstname.lastname@example.org> 02/02/2012 08:30 >>>
Okay, this thread was mildly entertaining a week ago, and
i do mean mildly, but it is now veering off course like
I hardly think people's private lives are an appropriate
subject for the dinosaur email list. Maybe someone can
start another list for stuff like this. Thanks.
--- On Thu, 2/2/12, kelly wicks <email@example.com> wrote:
> From: kelly wicks <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Subject: Re: Jack Horner married
> To: "Dora Smith" <email@example.com>, "DML" <DINOSAUR@usc.edu>
> Date: Thursday, February 2, 2012, 1:33 AM
> In case anyone else misconstrues what
> i said or changes my gender for
> me. Please let me clarify what I meant, if it was not
> Marc originally asked about a professional breach of ethics
> getting "to dip in".
> Dan replied back with No, which is correct as far as the SVP
> Yes, adults can make any choice they want. I have no
> problem with
> that and I prefer no one to interfere with my own romantic
> My reply was in regards to University policies, where
> professors work.
> Which may be more like guidelines depending on the
> University. They
> maybe enforced or not. The current example, Jack who
> works for the
> MoR. He has to deal with them and their policies on
> relationships. MSU has their own non fraternization
> policies. Every
> company has their own policies about fraternization and work
> relationships. Once you sign on to that company,
> university or government position you are going to be held
> to their
> policies even if you don't agree with them.
> For example: I am paid by company A, but am
> subcontracted out to
> company B who works on company C's property. I am
> under all their
> rules,guidelines and policies. Even if they do not
> apply directly to
> my position. I "have to follow them" or "find a new
> job" (which I
> want anyways).
> I was not intentionally trying to "clobber" Dan. Nor putting
> the law
> on some sort of "pedestal". There are reasons why the
> policies are
> put in place. It helps protect the instructor as well
> in case things
> go sour, but that is their own choice.
> Other professional occupations have similar ethics and codes
> about not
> having non work relationships with clients. Do they
> all follow them,
> probably not. Does everyone in the SVP follow
> their ethics
> guidelines, no.
> Hope this clears a few things up.
> Mr. Kelly Wicks
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Dora Smith <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> > Dan is discussing morality, and K.W. is discussing laws
> and rules. Not
> > the same thing at all. Dan's concern is what SHOULD
> be. K.W. is trying
> > to clobber him over the head with her selective
> perception of what IS, and
> > comes across as possibly not caring what really is, as
> long as she suitably
> > clobbers Dan, or we all kneel and worship at the
> pedestal of Law, or
> > whatever her concern really is.
> > I have mixed feelings about non-fraternalization
> policies. Nothing should
> > ever be taken to an extreme. And the circumstances
> should always be taken
> > into account.
> > Dora
> > On 2/1/2012 8:25 PM, Kelly Wicks wrote:
> >> You are wrong on this Dan. Many universities do
> have non fraternization
> >> policies regarding student teacher interactions.
> They can be fired because
> >> of this. Jack himself is not a professor and
> doesn't work for the Montana
> >> University system. MoR pays his salary or a
> portion of it. Jack only
> >> teaches one class at MSU every few years. Jack
> would be under the policies
> >> of MoR whatever they maybe, not MSU's.
> >> K.W.
> >> (406) 539-7382
> >> email@example.com
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry.
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Dan Chure<firstname.lastname@example.org>
> >> Sender: owner-DINOSAUR@usc.edu
> >> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:28:32
> >> To:<email@example.com>
> >> Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> >> Cc:<email@example.com>
> >> Subject: Re: Jack Horner married
> >> You're wrong. They're adults. Is SVP to become a
> marriage tribunal?
> >> Maybe we should follow the Europe of old and hold
> impotency trials?
> >> Sorry Mr. Bauer
> >> Dan
> >> On 2/1/2012 5:13 PM, Mar Qos Aker wrote:
> >>> Isn't there some kind of professional breach of
> ethics here. Do
> >>> professors get to "dip in the pool" to get
> dates? Isn't that wrong?
> >>> Let me know. (I suppose this might be off
> topic, but they are both in
> >>> paleontology)
> >>> Sorry Dr Horner.
> >>> Marc Bauer
> >>> MT USA
> >>> --- On Fri, 1/27/12, Kelly Wicks<firstname.lastname@example.org>
> >>>> From: Kelly Wicks<email@example.com>
> >>>> S