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RE: Caudipteryx suffered from osteoarthritis

  1. There is a philosophical argument the authors make that has nothing to do 
with the purpose of their paper. It colors their conclusions, and it colors 
comments they make such as qualifying their terminology, but that is not the 
same thing. That they, in other papers, say "bird" to mean something that 
mainstream phylogenetic hypotheses do not mean, or is more inclusive than the 
content argued by those hypotheses, doesn't matter. They can scale the inexact 
and horribly problematic use of the lay term to avoid using clade names and 
such to their hearts' content, because it doesn't actual impact the main point 
of their paper, which is recovery of osteoarthritis in an animal which they 
consider to be a bird. Just like when a scientist decides to use a term for an 
animal which other people dsagree with, it doesn't mean the paper have fallen 
through review when it comes out in this condition.

  I also tried to address this before by noting that these authors are "the 
opponents" and as such have something akin to a "right" in getting a 
contradictory paper through. Lately, these papers have been on alternate 
subjects (paleopathology, skin preservation, new enantirornithines) with minor 
commentary on the evolution or distribution of said structures. What in the 
latter elements of these papers should cause the entire things to fall out of 

  Also, not every journal actually reviews their papers, even if they are 
"edited" by the journal, such as previous issues with the _New Mexico Museum of 
Natural History Bulletin_ that raised such a ruckus on this list not that long 

  2. I never heard of anyone calling whales fish, or bats birds ... oh wait. I 
kinda made a parallel on the remark in the post in which I mentioned penguins, 
but Tom's oft-stated comment about bats being mammals is also just as apt. Some 
people use the term "fish" and "bird" a little more loosely than you think, 
either through cultural or linguistic plasticity or differences.

  3. I actually did edit the statement; given the time I spent writing it, 
slowly and carefully I tried to make sure _some_ of it was legible. I did not 
need to add in a period in there absolutely to fix the grammar or phrasing for 
clarity. Your "confusion" seems to stem entirely from the entire paragraph 
being a single sentence, and so I get the feeling that, regardless of whether I 
should have cut the sentence up into multiple, you will find wrong with it. I 
could have placed periods within, and I am sure the "legibility" quality would 
have been brought up. Will the same be true for this post? Time will tell!


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> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:22:20 +0100
> From: david.marjanovic@gmx.at
> To: dinosaur@usc.edu
> Subject: Re: Caudipteryx suffered from osteoarthritis
> > It is not the reviewers' job to actually perform science for the
> > authors
> It is their -- unpaid -- job to make sure the science has either been
> performed or the manuscript is rejected.
> > , or be the one's to make sure the authors are performing science
> > when commenting on a philosophical nature about which of of what I
> > called "the golden line" a taxon is on. Whether the authors call
> > *Caudipteryx zoui* a bird is not, I think, up to scientific purview,
> Like Matt Martyniuk, you're misunderstanding this issue. Their concept
> of "bird" includes "not a dinosaur, and not descended from a dinosaur".
> _That_ is _not_ a purely nomenclatural issue, it's a phylogenetic and
> thus scientific one.
> BTW, I've never heard of penguins being considered "fish". Of course,
> they still look like birds, what with their beaks, feathers, theropod
> feet, lack of tail fin and all.
> > As for sentence length, I've seen longer. Some literature blokes seem
> > to enjoy trying to outdo one another in forming incredibly long
> > sentences. This one just turned out that way because I was using
> > perentheses and long dashes to break the sentence up.
> Not all sentences of such length are difficult to understand. But most
> are, and that one was. Stop trying to defend your lack of editing.
> Really. The first thing my thesis supervisor told me when I started
> writing scientific papers was, paraphrasing: "You _will_ be
> misunderstood -- by someone, somewhere, sometime --, so it's _your_
> responsibility to minimize the number of opportunities for
> misunderstandings."