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Re: Mesozoic birds made insects shrink

Hey, don't diss David Peters. If he didn't insist on clinging to his fringe pet 
theories, he would be more Greg Paul than Greg Paul. And i'm not denying that 
ptero-fuzz isn't well-established, I just was trying to say that some artists 
go overboard and liberally apply that kind of stuff to their illustrations.

Tom Yazbeck

From: "Mike Keesey" <keesey@gmail.com> 
To: "Dinosaur Mailing List" <dinosaur@usc.edu> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 5, 2012 5:29:49 PM 
Subject: Re: Mesozoic birds made insects shrink 

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:13 PM,  <tyazbeck@comcast.net> wrote 

> I just prefer conservative, realistic artwork that doesen't jump to 
> conclusions about feathers or ptero-fur, or fleshy ornamentation, etc. 

Ptero-fur is pretty well-established, so it would be "radical" not to 
include it. Much as it would be radical to depict a naked-skinned 

Now, if by "fleshy ornamentation", you're referring to something like 
this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jeholopterus.png 
... then I think it would be safe to say pretty much everyone 
(possibly excepting the original artist) would agree! 

> I think that we sometimes need to restrain ourselves when it comes to 
> deciding whether a certain dinosaur should be depicted with feathers or down. 

We need to restrain ourselves to the evidence, such as it is. 
Currently evidence shows that feathers are present at least throughout 
Tyrannoraptora, with homologous structures possibly present even in 
the earliest stem-avians (i.e., basal avemetatarsalians). 

You seem to be suggesting it's "conservative" to keep depicting things 
the way we've always depicted them. But past paleo-art should not be 
what informs us -- only what inspires us. 

T. Michael Keesey