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Re: "Velociraptor" embryo claim in Peru and Charente fossils go to French museum (news)

From: Ben Creisler

First, let me clear. I was being sarcastic in quoting from some of the
media coverage.  Apparently, this tone was not immediately clear to
everybody.The specimen is probably nothing more than the dried remains
of mouse oppossum.

Here is a link to more detailed--and I suspect more accurate-- version
of the story in Spanish. I have provided a very rough English
translation, based on Google Translate with a number grammatical
fixes. Spanish speakers, please feel free to correct and improve my



Specialist investigates tiny fossil found while doing municipal work.
Mayor pledges support for scientific studies are conducted.


The fossilized body that belonged to a carnivorous dinosaur was found
in a building materials quarry in the Corire District, Castilla. The
discovery was made by worker Manuel Antonio Durand while working in
the Santa Catalina sector, Toro Grande. He stated that the discovery
took place last week, when he was working  on a front loader moving

The worker recounted that  when he got down from the machine to drink
some water, he noticed a strange object fell. It was the remains of a
dried animal, measuring 10 inches. From its size, it appeared to be a
fetus. Among the features it presented was a snout with tiny teeth,
plus two small hands.

He explained that he took the fossil and brought it home, put it in a
box and then took it to the town of Corire.
The mayor of Corire, Manuel Alpaca, after seeing the remains,
speculated that belong to a carnivorous dinosaur, called Velociraptor.

He explained that this is not the first time you do this kind of
findings in the area. He said that in 2002 was found in 68 Querulpa
carnivorous dinosaur tracks of different sizes. Currently these
remains are guarded and shown to tourists.


Yesterday morning  paleontologist Lucero Angulo arrived in Corire. The
specialist, who is interested in the discovery, said she that could
not confirm whether the animal might be the fetus of a small dinosaur.
She said that it is a carnivorous reptile species, but nevertheless
did not offer any guarantee that it is a Velociraptor.

She held that to determine the age a series of tests would have to be
carried out, including a study of the soil where the strange animal
was found . She added that in Peru there are not many specialists to
investigate the dinosaurs.
For his part, the mayor called on national authorities to support it
with research, as this finding could grab the attention of tourists.

The population of Corire named the fossil as "Toñito". The animal's
remains will be kept at the municipality while studies are conducted.

It also decided not to do more work in the area where the fossil was
found. The mayor said there is the possibility that there are more
dinosaur remains in place.


On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Ben Creisler <bcreisler@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Ben Creisler
> bcreisler@gmail.com
> I found at least one news story from 2011 that mentions "arqueóloga
> Lucero Angulo" (also referred to as "paleontóloga Lucero Angulo" in
> some Spanish versions of the current news story), so she must be
> legit, although apparently not a dinosaur expert. The shape of the
> lower jaw joint and the lack of an antorbital fenestra ought to be
> clues, along with the shape of the teeth. The town apparently has big
> plans for the "fossil" so the inevitable let-down is going to be
> rather sad....
> Unless the "fossil" in the photos is NOT the one everybody is excited about...
> http://www.panoramacajamarquino.com/noticia/despues-de-dos-mil-anos-cumbemayo-va-mostrando-sus-secretos/
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. <tholtz@umd.edu> wrote:
>> Scholar.google.com finds no references by a "Lucero Angulo", although
>> there is a paper on eating disorders with a "Keyris Viviana Lucero Angulo"
>> as a co-author.
>> On Tue, July 2, 2013 5:47 pm, Ben Creisler wrote:
>>> From: Ben Creisler
>>> bcreisler@gmail.com
>>> OK--this is getting WEIRD. Here's a news story in English that says an
>>> archaeologist has confirmed that the "thing" is in fact a fossil
>>> dinosaur:
>>> http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-dinosaur-fetus-fossil-found-in-peruvian-countryside-100272
>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Jocelyn Falconnet
>>> <j.falconnet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Coming from the Cuban official information agency... that's not very
>>>> surprising ^^
>>>> Le 02/07/2013 05:37, Dann Pigdon a écrit :
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 2nd, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Ben Creisler <bcreisler@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> From: Ben Creisler
>>>>>> bcreisler@gmail.com
>>>>>> This is getting out of hand...Now the Peruvian "velociraptor" story is
>>>>>> in  English with the same "marsupial" photo.
>>>>>> http://www.plenglish.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1568031&Itemid=1
>>>>> At least it's not another hairless dead sloth (AKA 'The Panama
>>>>> Creature').
>>>> --
>>>> "As a Professor of Science, I assure you we did in fact evolve from
>>>> filthy
>>>> monkey men." Hubert J. Farnworth.
>> Thomas R. Holtz, Jr.
>> Email: tholtz@umd.edu   Phone: 301-405-4084
>> Office: Centreville 1216
>> Senior Lecturer, Vertebrate Paleontology
>> Dept. of Geology, University of Maryland
>> http://www.geol.umd.edu/~tholtz/
>> Fax: 301-314-9661
>> Faculty Director, Science & Global Change Program, College Park Scholars
>> http://www.geol.umd.edu/sgc
>> Fax: 301-314-9843
>> Mailing Address:        Thomas R. Holtz, Jr.
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