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Re: "Velociraptor" embryo claim in Peru and Charente fossils go to French museum (news)



Urk...Make that "opossum".....

Ben

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Ben Creisler <bcreisler@gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Ben Creisler
> bcreisler@gmail.com
>
> First, let me clear. I was being sarcastic in quoting from some of the
> media coverage.  Apparently, this tone was not immediately clear to
> everybody.The specimen is probably nothing more than the dried remains
> of mouse oppossum.
>
> Here is a link to more detailed--and I suspect more accurate-- version
> of the story in Spanish. I have provided a very rough English
> translation, based on Google Translate with a number grammatical
> fixes. Spanish speakers, please feel free to correct and improve my
> efforts!
>
> http://miriamkarencorimayo.blogspot.com/2013/07/descubren-en-corire-restos-que.html
>
> --
>
> Specialist investigates tiny fossil found while doing municipal work.
> Mayor pledges support for scientific studies are conducted.
>
> Arequipa.
>
> The fossilized body that belonged to a carnivorous dinosaur was found
> in a building materials quarry in the Corire District, Castilla. The
> discovery was made by worker Manuel Antonio Durand while working in
> the Santa Catalina sector, Toro Grande. He stated that the discovery
> took place last week, when he was working  on a front loader moving
> earth.
>
> The worker recounted that  when he got down from the machine to drink
> some water, he noticed a strange object fell. It was the remains of a
> dried animal, measuring 10 inches. From its size, it appeared to be a
> fetus. Among the features it presented was a snout with tiny teeth,
> plus two small hands.
>
>
> He explained that he took the fossil and brought it home, put it in a
> box and then took it to the town of Corire.
> The mayor of Corire, Manuel Alpaca, after seeing the remains,
> speculated that belong to a carnivorous dinosaur, called Velociraptor.
>
> He explained that this is not the first time you do this kind of
> findings in the area. He said that in 2002 was found in 68 Querulpa
> carnivorous dinosaur tracks of different sizes. Currently these
> remains are guarded and shown to tourists.
>
>
> RESEARCH
>
> Yesterday morning  paleontologist Lucero Angulo arrived in Corire. The
> specialist, who is interested in the discovery, said she that could
> not confirm whether the animal might be the fetus of a small dinosaur.
> She said that it is a carnivorous reptile species, but nevertheless
> did not offer any guarantee that it is a Velociraptor.
>
> She held that to determine the age a series of tests would have to be
> carried out, including a study of the soil where the strange animal
> was found . She added that in Peru there are not many specialists to
> investigate the dinosaurs.
> For his part, the mayor called on national authorities to support it
> with research, as this finding could grab the attention of tourists.
>
>
> KEY
> The population of Corire named the fossil as "Toñito". The animal's
> remains will be kept at the municipality while studies are conducted.
>
> It also decided not to do more work in the area where the fossil was
> found. The mayor said there is the possibility that there are more
> dinosaur remains in place.
>
> =====
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Ben Creisler <bcreisler@gmail.com> wrote:
>> From: Ben Creisler
>> bcreisler@gmail.com
>>
>> I found at least one news story from 2011 that mentions "arqueóloga
>> Lucero Angulo" (also referred to as "paleontóloga Lucero Angulo" in
>> some Spanish versions of the current news story), so she must be
>> legit, although apparently not a dinosaur expert. The shape of the
>> lower jaw joint and the lack of an antorbital fenestra ought to be
>> clues, along with the shape of the teeth. The town apparently has big
>> plans for the "fossil" so the inevitable let-down is going to be
>> rather sad....
>> Unless the "fossil" in the photos is NOT the one everybody is excited 
>> about...
>>
>> http://www.panoramacajamarquino.com/noticia/despues-de-dos-mil-anos-cumbemayo-va-mostrando-sus-secretos/
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. <tholtz@umd.edu> wrote:
>>> Scholar.google.com finds no references by a "Lucero Angulo", although
>>> there is a paper on eating disorders with a "Keyris Viviana Lucero Angulo"
>>> as a co-author.
>>>
>>> On Tue, July 2, 2013 5:47 pm, Ben Creisler wrote:
>>>> From: Ben Creisler
>>>> bcreisler@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK--this is getting WEIRD. Here's a news story in English that says an
>>>> archaeologist has confirmed that the "thing" is in fact a fossil
>>>> dinosaur:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-dinosaur-fetus-fossil-found-in-peruvian-countryside-100272
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Jocelyn Falconnet
>>>> <j.falconnet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Coming from the Cuban official information agency... that's not very
>>>>> surprising ^^
>>>>>
>>>>> Le 02/07/2013 05:37, Dann Pigdon a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 2nd, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Ben Creisler <bcreisler@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Ben Creisler
>>>>>>> bcreisler@gmail.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is getting out of hand...Now the Peruvian "velociraptor" story is
>>>>>>> in  English with the same "marsupial" photo.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.plenglish.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1568031&Itemid=1
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least it's not another hairless dead sloth (AKA 'The Panama
>>>>>> Creature').
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> "As a Professor of Science, I assure you we did in fact evolve from
>>>>> filthy
>>>>> monkey men." Hubert J. Farnworth.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thomas R. Holtz, Jr.
>>> Email: tholtz@umd.edu   Phone: 301-405-4084
>>> Office: Centreville 1216
>>> Senior Lecturer, Vertebrate Paleontology
>>> Dept. of Geology, University of Maryland
>>> http://www.geol.umd.edu/~tholtz/
>>> Fax: 301-314-9661
>>>
>>> Faculty Director, Science & Global Change Program, College Park Scholars
>>> http://www.geol.umd.edu/sgc
>>> Fax: 301-314-9843
>>>
>>> Mailing Address:        Thomas R. Holtz, Jr.
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