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Re: "Velociraptor" embryo claim in Peru and Charente fossils go to French museum (news)



And change "10 inches" to "10 centimeters" (= 4 inches)--blame flaws
in Google Translate that automatically translate "centimeter" as
"inch"--really stupid and I didn't catch it.

It was the remains of a dried animal, measuring 10 centimeters.

Ben

On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Ben Creisler <bcreisler@gmail.com> wrote:
> Urk...Make that "opossum".....
>
> Ben
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 8:33 PM, Ben Creisler <bcreisler@gmail.com> wrote:
>> From: Ben Creisler
>> bcreisler@gmail.com
>>
>> First, let me clear. I was being sarcastic in quoting from some of the
>> media coverage.  Apparently, this tone was not immediately clear to
>> everybody.The specimen is probably nothing more than the dried remains
>> of mouse oppossum.
>>
>> Here is a link to more detailed--and I suspect more accurate-- version
>> of the story in Spanish. I have provided a very rough English
>> translation, based on Google Translate with a number grammatical
>> fixes. Spanish speakers, please feel free to correct and improve my
>> efforts!
>>
>> http://miriamkarencorimayo.blogspot.com/2013/07/descubren-en-corire-restos-que.html
>>
>> --
>>
>> Specialist investigates tiny fossil found while doing municipal work.
>> Mayor pledges support for scientific studies are conducted.
>>
>> Arequipa.
>>
>> The fossilized body that belonged to a carnivorous dinosaur was found
>> in a building materials quarry in the Corire District, Castilla. The
>> discovery was made by worker Manuel Antonio Durand while working in
>> the Santa Catalina sector, Toro Grande. He stated that the discovery
>> took place last week, when he was working  on a front loader moving
>> earth.
>>
>> The worker recounted that  when he got down from the machine to drink
>> some water, he noticed a strange object fell. It was the remains of a
>> dried animal, measuring 10 inches. From its size, it appeared to be a
>> fetus. Among the features it presented was a snout with tiny teeth,
>> plus two small hands.
>>
>>
>> He explained that he took the fossil and brought it home, put it in a
>> box and then took it to the town of Corire.
>> The mayor of Corire, Manuel Alpaca, after seeing the remains,
>> speculated that belong to a carnivorous dinosaur, called Velociraptor.
>>
>> He explained that this is not the first time you do this kind of
>> findings in the area. He said that in 2002 was found in 68 Querulpa
>> carnivorous dinosaur tracks of different sizes. Currently these
>> remains are guarded and shown to tourists.
>>
>>
>> RESEARCH
>>
>> Yesterday morning  paleontologist Lucero Angulo arrived in Corire. The
>> specialist, who is interested in the discovery, said she that could
>> not confirm whether the animal might be the fetus of a small dinosaur.
>> She said that it is a carnivorous reptile species, but nevertheless
>> did not offer any guarantee that it is a Velociraptor.
>>
>> She held that to determine the age a series of tests would have to be
>> carried out, including a study of the soil where the strange animal
>> was found . She added that in Peru there are not many specialists to
>> investigate the dinosaurs.
>> For his part, the mayor called on national authorities to support it
>> with research, as this finding could grab the attention of tourists.
>>
>>
>> KEY
>> The population of Corire named the fossil as "Toñito". The animal's
>> remains will be kept at the municipality while studies are conducted.
>>
>> It also decided not to do more work in the area where the fossil was
>> found. The mayor said there is the possibility that there are more
>> dinosaur remains in place.
>>
>> =====
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Ben Creisler <bcreisler@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> From: Ben Creisler
>>> bcreisler@gmail.com
>>>
>>> I found at least one news story from 2011 that mentions "arqueóloga
>>> Lucero Angulo" (also referred to as "paleontóloga Lucero Angulo" in
>>> some Spanish versions of the current news story), so she must be
>>> legit, although apparently not a dinosaur expert. The shape of the
>>> lower jaw joint and the lack of an antorbital fenestra ought to be
>>> clues, along with the shape of the teeth. The town apparently has big
>>> plans for the "fossil" so the inevitable let-down is going to be
>>> rather sad....
>>> Unless the "fossil" in the photos is NOT the one everybody is excited 
>>> about...
>>>
>>> http://www.panoramacajamarquino.com/noticia/despues-de-dos-mil-anos-cumbemayo-va-mostrando-sus-secretos/
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. <tholtz@umd.edu> wrote:
>>>> Scholar.google.com finds no references by a "Lucero Angulo", although
>>>> there is a paper on eating disorders with a "Keyris Viviana Lucero Angulo"
>>>> as a co-author.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, July 2, 2013 5:47 pm, Ben Creisler wrote:
>>>>> From: Ben Creisler
>>>>> bcreisler@gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> OK--this is getting WEIRD. Here's a news story in English that says an
>>>>> archaeologist has confirmed that the "thing" is in fact a fossil
>>>>> dinosaur:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.peruthisweek.com/news-dinosaur-fetus-fossil-found-in-peruvian-countryside-100272
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Jocelyn Falconnet
>>>>> <j.falconnet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Coming from the Cuban official information agency... that's not very
>>>>>> surprising ^^
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 02/07/2013 05:37, Dann Pigdon a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 2nd, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Ben Creisler <bcreisler@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Ben Creisler
>>>>>>>> bcreisler@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is getting out of hand...Now the Peruvian "velociraptor" story is
>>>>>>>> in  English with the same "marsupial" photo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.plenglish.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1568031&Itemid=1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At least it's not another hairless dead sloth (AKA 'The Panama
>>>>>>> Creature').
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> "As a Professor of Science, I assure you we did in fact evolve from
>>>>>> filthy
>>>>>> monkey men." Hubert J. Farnworth.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thomas R. Holtz, Jr.
>>>> Email: tholtz@umd.edu   Phone: 301-405-4084
>>>> Office: Centreville 1216
>>>> Senior Lecturer, Vertebrate Paleontology
>>>> Dept. of Geology, University of Maryland
>>>> http://www.geol.umd.edu/~tholtz/
>>>> Fax: 301-314-9661
>>>>
>>>> Faculty Director, Science & Global Change Program, College Park Scholars
>>>> http://www.geol.umd.edu/sgc
>>>> Fax: 301-314-9843
>>>>
>>>> Mailing Address:        Thomas R. Holtz, Jr.
>>>>                         Department of Geology
>>>>                         Building 237, Room 1117
>>>>                         University of Maryland
>>>>                         College Park, MD 20742 USA