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RE: The Roosting Hypothesis



Grrr!, I mean it would partly falsify the roosting hypothesis, but not the 
TERRESTRIAL one.

Sorry.
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From: owner-DINOSAUR@usc.edu [owner-DINOSAUR@usc.edu] on behalf of Jason 
Brougham [jaseb@amnh.org]
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 11:54 AM
To: dinosaur@usc.edu
Subject: FW: The Roosting Hypothesis

Although, if the pes was biomechanically found to NOT be capable of gripping 
(say, if the trochleae of the pedal phalanges were shifted dorsally) that may 
partly falsify the roosting hypothesis, but not the arboreal one.

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From: owner-DINOSAUR@usc.edu [owner-DINOSAUR@usc.edu] on behalf of Jason 
Brougham [jaseb@amnh.org]
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 11:18 AM
To: tijawi@gmail.com; "dinosaur@usc.edu"@listproc.usc.edu
Subject: RE: The Roosting Hypothesis

Agreed.
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From: owner-DINOSAUR@usc.edu [owner-DINOSAUR@usc.edu] on behalf of Tim Williams 
[tijawi@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 2:51 AM
To: dinosaur@usc.edu
Subject: Re: The Roosting Hypothesis

Lost in truncation.  Mike's response encapsulates my own opinion exactly.

> From:  don ohmes <d_ohmes@yahoo.com>
>
> Summing -- it follows that a trees-down path to powered flight *can*
> occur
> in the absence of a reversed hallux or "arboreal adaptations".
> GSP's claims re curvature will do much to define future discussions if
> they hold up -- given the presence of sharp claws on even one fossil,
>  I am
> optimistic...

I like the GFTR hypothesis, as Don calls it, from a thought experiment
standpoint.  It seems to be both plausible and consistent with known
biology.  However, to the extent that it holds true, the same list of
observations basically confirms that we can't tell if there was
"trees-down" component to flight origins (just as we cannot refute it).
GFTR seems to predict, essentially, that the animals would look
terrestrial.  The claw curvature measure might give some indication of
more climbing, but it's not a silver bullet.  So, ultimately, w
three models: high arboreality, partial arboreality, and full
terrestrially for flight origins.  The high arboreality predictions do
not seem to hold true, so we can tentatively discard that one.  But then
there seems no way to test between the other two, as they predict the
same morphology.  Since there was never a particular
to put these animals in the trees vs the ground to begin with, I would
call the result a stalemate.

--Mike