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Re: Question: Why did birds lose their teeth?

Tooth loss has happened repeatedly in widely divergent vertebrate families.

In the Mesozoic there were both toothed and edntulous basal Avialae,
toothed and edentulous enantiornithines, and toothed and edentulous
ornithoracines. The only surviving lineage (crown group birds) were from
among the edentulous ornithothoracines.

Thus, it may be more of a founder effect than an adaptation.

Jason Brougham
Senior Principal Preparator
American Museum of Natural History
(212) 496 3544

On 3/10/14 4:54 PM, "Mike Habib" <biologyinmotion@gmail.com> wrote:

>Martin (and list):
>I am having trouble finding that specific reference, as well, though a
>bit of quick math shows that tooth loss in birds can¹t remove significant
>weight because the entire hard tissue skeletal system (teeth included)
>only accounts for about 25-35% of total body mass, of which half is
>water. By way of example, the total dry mass of both humeri in a
>mid-sized bird (390-500 gram range) ranges from about 0.7% to 1.2% of
>total mass. The teeth would presumably make up less mass than that of
>both entire humeri. The potential loss of mass from losing teeth is
>dwarfed by the body mass changes from simply burning fat and muscle in
>flight. During long migrations, some birds lose 50% of their body mass.
>Under those conditions, the lost of teeth is practically rounding error.
>Michael Habib
>Assistant Professor of Cell and Neurobiology
>Keck School of Medicine of USC
>University of Southern California
>Bishop Research Building; Room 403
>1333 San Pablo Street, Los Angeles 90089-9112
>Research Associate, Dinosaur Institute
>Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County
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>On Mar 10, 2014, at 7:16 AM, Martin Baeker <martin.baeker@tu-bs.de> wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> I once learned that losing teeth was a weight-saving measure and thus
>> a flight adaptation. There is this reference stating this  as a
>> However, I seem to remember that there was some study showing that
>> birds actually do not lose signifcant weight by replacing teeth with
>> beaks - if anybody has a reference on this, I'd be grateful.
>> Thanks a lot,
>> Martin.
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