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Re: Dreadnoughtus weight calculation

We seriously need to find a truly gigantic relative of this in Fukui to
name Yamatotitan.

On Sun, September 7, 2014 5:37 pm, Stephen V. Cole wrote:
> I cannot resist my first opportunity (as a non-dino military engineer)
> to actually contribute to the conversation.
> Everybody had battleships before 1906, but they tended to have two or
> four big guns for long-range pot-luck sniping a lot of medium-sized guns
> to do the real dirty work up close. The term battleship had actually been
> in
> use for centuries and applied to what we moderns call "ships of the line".
> Nelson called them "Line of Battle Ships" or simply "battleships." There
> was even a wooden battleshp called Dreadnought in the 1700s.
> The continuing and steady improvement in gunnery, optics, and other
> mechanical sciences meant that long-range gunnery had reached the
> point that it might actually work. Several nations started building a new
> kind of battleship, the "all-big-gun" battleship. The trick was, nobody
> knew
> what one looked like because nobody had ever seen one. The first to start
> construction was the USS South Carolina and her sister the USS Michigan.
> Everybody else was starting this new kind of ship, independenty, on their
> own.
> Britain, German, Italy, Russia, all had plans in hand or keels on the
> slipway.
> The British started HMS Dreadnought somewhat later, but built it much
> faster,
> so it was the first all-big-gun-battleship in service. Dreadnought was a
> very
> bad design. It had all big guns, but because the British couldn't figure
> out
> how to have Turret #2 shoot over Turret #1, only eight of the ten cannons
> could shoot right or left, and there was not much in the way of internal
> compartments (another new idea) so a torpedo hit was going to be sudden
> death overtime. It did have the new kind of modern turbine engines.
> USS Michigan came out next, and it had four double gun turrets with #2
> shooting
> over #1 (on the front) and #3 shooting over #4 (on the back) so with only
> eight guns it had the same firepower as Dreadnought (8 vs 8). It had
> internal
> compartments, turbines, and was superior to Dreadnought in every way, BUT,
> Dreadnought was first so now "dreadnought" is interchangable with
> "battleship"
> when it shouldn't be. HMS Dreadnought was so bad that the British never
> sent it
> into battle and quickly copied Michigan. Maybe you'd call it a "loss
> leader"
> to "capture the brand name."
> So now we just need a dinosaur called Michigandus magnificus and we'll
> be historically accurate.

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