My bad â thanks for putting me straight, Tom!
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 at 13:10, Thomas Richard Holtz <email@example.com> wrote:
> I strongly disagree with Mike on this, though. Not the luck part, which is a big factor, but on the lack of a pattern.
> In the terrestrial pattern the size pattern is extraordinarily strong. Animals >5 kg simply did not survive. Even within turtles and crocodilians this is true: large crocs and large tortoise mimics (such as xinjiangchelyids) did not make it.
> Within the marine realm planktonic taxa and animals that fed more directly on the plankton die off at rates higher than bottom-feeding benthic organisms. Large pelagic forms die off at rates higher than small demersal forms. And so on.
> That said, once you are past these filters who lived and who died among the rest seems to be more stochastic. So why Aves and not Enantiornithes? Why some mammal clades and not others? These are less certain, and probably does have a lot to do about luck.
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 6:57 AM Mike Taylor <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>> The thing about the K-T extinction is that there is no real pattern to
>> what did and did not survive. Lots of indicators have been proposed:
>> land vs. water-dwelling, large vs. small, endothermic vs. ectothermic,
>> etc. But none of them fits the data, which suggests that the strongest
>> factor affecting survival was sheer dumb luck.
>> So it's not really possible to answer your question of which dinosaurs
>> were most likely to survive that event, beyond the obvious observation
>> that birds evidently did (as you noticed). It could just as easily
>> have been hadrosaurs or titanosaurs; and the surviving mammals could
>> easily have not included the lineage that led to us.
>> -- Mike.
>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 at 08:45, Poekilopleuron <email@example.com> wrote:
>> > Good day to all listmembers! I would like to ask, which non-avian dinosaur species from the terminal Cretaceous are (according to you) most likely to survive the extinction 66 million years ago? Small bird like species? Specialised aquatic or burrowing forms? Are there any hints of favourable adaptations for the possible survival in the fossil record? Thank you for your opinions! Tom
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